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You are never morally obligated to support one evil over another. The only moral choice is stopping both evils.
And yet you didn't fucking stop anything. The only way for you to improve anything was to vote for the lesser evil. Even in a more functional democracy with proportional voting, there is always only the lesser evil. The perfect choice doesn't exist in societies as large as ours are.
Stopping the evil was never an option given, on the ballot.
The US doesn't have proportional voting, or a functioning democracy. Hasn't in a very long time, if ever.
You're not listening to me. In politics, there's rarely "stopping the evil". It's not an all or nothing situation.
You act like there is no difference in outcome whether democrats or republicans win elections. You must either be very privileged or very ignorant.
Frankly, it's political theater.
Has the economic conditions of the working class improve under Biden?
No.
Would it have improved under Harris?
No.
Even if it would have, is your personal situation improving a tiny amount worth 30k dead Palestinians?
Harris and Biden are conservatives. No the conditions didn't improve. But they sure as hell will deteriorate under Trump. Poor people, LGBT folk, women will all suffer greatly. And none of it has anything at all to do with the suffering in Palestine.
All od those groups were already suffering under Biden...
Things were already deteriorating for them.
Don't believe me? Ask them.
I'm a gay brown person and I would 1 million percent rather have 50 years of Biden over the next four years of Trump. Don't presume to speak for me chud.
Suffering is not a binary. It will massively increase under Trump compared to any democrat.
So, beatings will continue until morale improves?
If my child was sick and could end up developing several different diseases, where only one just a few were preventable- I wouldn’t just do nothing and let them die because the other diseases couldn’t be cured.
When someone is sick, you do whatever it takes to reduce the damage. You don’t refuse to act because you’re not getting a prognosis of perfect health.
Ok, let's say your kid is about to be murdered.
Do you choose the murderer who smiles and you and says nice things, or the murderer who is a shitbag?
No matter what, your kid is getting murdered.
See… it’s bad comparison arguments like this that you all feed each other that has caused the overwhelming lack of understanding of what is going on to begin with.
You’ve reduced the entire thing down to only two threats and made them both equal. This is because you only see ONE issue as the source of the problem, whereas- everyone else understands that there is- was in this case…. FAR more at stake than your simplified version of events.
I gave you a realistic example that illustrated how your choice can reduce the damage and allow them to live to fight another day-
You gave an unrealistic example that let to the justification of your point. Until you learn to change your perspective and face the ugly truth that perfect is unobtainable, and compromise is a necessary tool in making informed decisions where the lives of others are effected by your decision to either act, or do nothing.
Because now, a LOT more than just Palestinians are going to be hurt.
The two threats are equal: genocide will happen, regardless of who got elected.
Either party could have chosen to stand against genocide, but neither did.
And so in protest, you threw all women, the LGBTQ+, immigrants, minorities and essentially every constitutional protection we have under the bus because justice wasn’t provided to people in a country you couldn’t have pointed to on a map a year and a half ago.
Take a bow and be proud of your work.
Dunno if you noticed, but a lot if that was happening under Biden already...
Additionally, I know full well where Palestine is... I was in the Middle East for a period, after all. The same period that showed me what happens when we stop caring about genocide.
Okay. lol… we’re going to have to agree to disagree. I don’t have all day to do this. So, enjoy the victory I guess. Everyone hears ya loud and clear now…
What victory?
Regardless of outcome, the working class loses.
You seem to have a very binary view of the world and seem unable to grasp the concept of "more" or "less".
How don't you understand that losing is losing?
I hope you learn at some point
I hope some day, you will learn to not support genocide.