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Proton CEO embraces Trump for "standing up for the little guys" (lemmy.world)
submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by to c/privacy@lemmy.ml
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Unnecessary and deeply concerning bow to the new "king"

Update: position got backed up by an official Proton post on Mastodon, it's an official Proton statement now. https://mastodon.social/@protonprivacy/113833073219145503

Update 2, plot-twist: they removed this response from Mastodon - seems they realize it exploded into their face!

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[–] 107 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Let's not get carried away. The scope of the comment is pretty narrow if you read it closely. This is one member of a 5-person board that also includes Tim Berners-Lee. The foundation structure is also a protection against abuses.

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  • [–] [S] 93 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yes you are right, and no you are not. It is concerning and something to stay vigilent about in the upcoming times.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 years ago

    Can't you both be right? One it is a very narrow complement and also it be very concerning that the "small tech" is also bowing harder than big tech.

    But this may be the price for not donating?

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  • [–] 44 points 2 years ago* (26 children)

    Let’s not get carried away. The scope of the comment is pretty narrow if you read it closely

    The only thing I want to hear from you is that you actively disavow Trump, or if you feel this is going to hurt your business, at least say nothing at all. Anything other than that marks you as a shameless suck-up, and I want nothing to do with you or your business.

    Ergo, I want nothing to do with Proton. It's time suck-ups pay the price and see their bottom lines drop because of their dubious choices.

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  • [+] 38 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)
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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    I think the big difference is what the companies stand for.

    If the CEO of The Anti-Spyware Company comes out in support of Spyware, is that not significantly worse than the CEO of The Spyware Company doing the same?

    I supported The Anti-Spyware companies because of what they believed in. Now that is in question.

    FWIW I don't use Proton but switching to it was in my 2025 plans. Not so sure about that anymore..

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  • [+] 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)
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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Good to know, I was just going off what OP said

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    FYI, that user is incorrect. Yen is both the founder and CEO of Proton.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    if you disavow every company contributing to the republican party/trump you might as well sell all your belongs, and learn to live off grid. no internet access, no power, no retail.

    we just dont live in a black and white world. its lovely shades of depressing grey gradients.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    if you disavow every company contributing to the republican party/trump you might as well sell all your belongs, and learn to live off grid. no internet access, no power, no retail.

    As much as possible, I will take my business to companies that aren't openly terrible.

    we just dont live in a black and white world

    Tell that to the orange utan. He sure is about to turn the word from RGB to 1-pixel color space.

    Do you really think I want to split people into people I can talk to vs. people I want to avoid at all costs? Trump is doing that. He's forcing shitty choices on everybody. I'd rather have constructive and peaceful interaction with my fellow man. But can you honestly shake hands with a magard and not feel sick to your stomach? I can't.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    right, i agree the idea is revolting... but the old man at the dog park who only watches fox news isnt inherently evil. hes brainwashed. hes a fellow human who if shown the light would absolutely change his tune. to abandon those people is to abandon civilization.

    sure thats not everyone, but its enough. we just need to show them the truth.. that theyve been lied to and actually do have a choice.

    treating every conservative voter as you would trump himself is absolutely painting in black and white.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    but the old man at the dog park who only watches fox news isnt inherently evil

    I'm sorry but no.

    You have the die-hard racist MAGAs with the flags and the red cap. Those can fuck right off obviously.

    But you also have all the ordinary folks who are NOT die-hard MAGA, but who decided that it was okay to vote for a convicted felon who tried to overthrow the government. And guess what: in a sense, they're even worse.

    Voting for Trump is crossing a line. If you voted for Trump, I really don't want anything to do with you because you have proved to me that your sense of morality and your respect for the institutions of this country are compromised.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Either that or so fucking stupid that interacting with them wouldn't be worth my time. I honestly used to believe what originallucifer said, but after this election i've been thoroughly and completely radicalized.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    remember that 88 million people who can vote, dont.

    many of those that did vote are under a veil of propaganda. theyre not all rabid maga racists. its been proven that one-on-one interaction with adversaries can often change their minds. its just a slow, painful process.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago

    The Dems have been "reaching across the aisle" since before I was born. How's that working out? 20 years ago, racism was couched under the guise of "it's just a joke." 10 years ago, the racists and transphobes were screaming about how they were getting canceled for their views on their TV specials. Today, members of the incoming administration have openly called for the genocide of trans people (their words, not mine).

    America has always been deeply bigoted. It's just out in the open now. And with my life on the line, the only thing I'm reaching across the aisle with is a loaded gun. The time for reconciliation is past. It's time to make Nazis afraid again.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago

    hes a fellow human who if shown the light would absolutely change his tune.

    Thats not always true... That old man stuck on Fox News would likely rather shoot a bunch of brown people than admit he was wrong.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    Sure, there's not always an option, but sometimes there is. My tiny bit of $ isn't going to make or break a company, but i try to give it to places who donate less to the big orange turd. I'm in a constant struggle choosing among home Depot, lowes, and Ace hardware.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    that also includes Tim Berners-Lee

    You mean that traitorous piece of shit who sold us out to DRM on the Web?

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago

    Actually I ended up coming round to his view on this. If Firefox has stuck to its principles on DRM, then it would have been goodbye Firefox. And then you would have had no decent options at all, and neither would I. The setting is still opt-in.

    Sometimes we have to compromise.

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