Unnecessary and deeply concerning bow to the new "king"

Update: position got backed up by an official Proton post on Mastodon, it's an official Proton statement now. https://mastodon.social/@protonprivacy/113833073219145503

Update 2, plot-twist: they removed this response from Mastodon - seems they realize it exploded into their face!

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[–] 44 points 2 years ago* (25 children)

Let’s not get carried away. The scope of the comment is pretty narrow if you read it closely

The only thing I want to hear from you is that you actively disavow Trump, or if you feel this is going to hurt your business, at least say nothing at all. Anything other than that marks you as a shameless suck-up, and I want nothing to do with you or your business.

Ergo, I want nothing to do with Proton. It's time suck-ups pay the price and see their bottom lines drop because of their dubious choices.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    I think the big difference is what the companies stand for.

    If the CEO of The Anti-Spyware Company comes out in support of Spyware, is that not significantly worse than the CEO of The Spyware Company doing the same?

    I supported The Anti-Spyware companies because of what they believed in. Now that is in question.

    FWIW I don't use Proton but switching to it was in my 2025 plans. Not so sure about that anymore..

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Good to know, I was just going off what OP said

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    Thanks for the update! I guess I shouldn't have taken him at his screenshot

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    All right then replace support of Spyware with "praise for The Spyware Company"

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Spyware was just an example? Proton is all about privacy and this board member is saying good things about a guy who doesn't think us peasants should have any.

    I agree that this isn't the worst thing to ever happen. But I also agree with the people saying he shouldn't have said anything.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    if you disavow every company contributing to the republican party/trump you might as well sell all your belongs, and learn to live off grid. no internet access, no power, no retail.

    we just dont live in a black and white world. its lovely shades of depressing grey gradients.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    if you disavow every company contributing to the republican party/trump you might as well sell all your belongs, and learn to live off grid. no internet access, no power, no retail.

    As much as possible, I will take my business to companies that aren't openly terrible.

    we just dont live in a black and white world

    Tell that to the orange utan. He sure is about to turn the word from RGB to 1-pixel color space.

    Do you really think I want to split people into people I can talk to vs. people I want to avoid at all costs? Trump is doing that. He's forcing shitty choices on everybody. I'd rather have constructive and peaceful interaction with my fellow man. But can you honestly shake hands with a magard and not feel sick to your stomach? I can't.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    right, i agree the idea is revolting... but the old man at the dog park who only watches fox news isnt inherently evil. hes brainwashed. hes a fellow human who if shown the light would absolutely change his tune. to abandon those people is to abandon civilization.

    sure thats not everyone, but its enough. we just need to show them the truth.. that theyve been lied to and actually do have a choice.

    treating every conservative voter as you would trump himself is absolutely painting in black and white.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    but the old man at the dog park who only watches fox news isnt inherently evil

    I'm sorry but no.

    You have the die-hard racist MAGAs with the flags and the red cap. Those can fuck right off obviously.

    But you also have all the ordinary folks who are NOT die-hard MAGA, but who decided that it was okay to vote for a convicted felon who tried to overthrow the government. And guess what: in a sense, they're even worse.

    Voting for Trump is crossing a line. If you voted for Trump, I really don't want anything to do with you because you have proved to me that your sense of morality and your respect for the institutions of this country are compromised.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Either that or so fucking stupid that interacting with them wouldn't be worth my time. I honestly used to believe what originallucifer said, but after this election i've been thoroughly and completely radicalized.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    remember that 88 million people who can vote, dont.

    many of those that did vote are under a veil of propaganda. theyre not all rabid maga racists. its been proven that one-on-one interaction with adversaries can often change their minds. its just a slow, painful process.

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  • The Dems have been "reaching across the aisle" since before I was born. How's that working out? 20 years ago, racism was couched under the guise of "it's just a joke." 10 years ago, the racists and transphobes were screaming about how they were getting canceled for their views on their TV specials. Today, members of the incoming administration have openly called for the genocide of trans people (their words, not mine).

    America has always been deeply bigoted. It's just out in the open now. And with my life on the line, the only thing I'm reaching across the aisle with is a loaded gun. The time for reconciliation is past. It's time to make Nazis afraid again.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago

    hes a fellow human who if shown the light would absolutely change his tune.

    Thats not always true... That old man stuck on Fox News would likely rather shoot a bunch of brown people than admit he was wrong.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    Sure, there's not always an option, but sometimes there is. My tiny bit of $ isn't going to make or break a company, but i try to give it to places who donate less to the big orange turd. I'm in a constant struggle choosing among home Depot, lowes, and Ace hardware.

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