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POV: It's January 19th (lemmy.world)
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[–] [email protected] 19 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

In this house, we only like propaganda that's covering up genocide. /s

[–] [email protected] -4 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

China has its genocides going on to ya know

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Nice whataboutism, I guess?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

In that case, "in this house" we like Tiktok?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I happen to like that tiktok spreads information about the genocide in Gaza, which is being shadowbanned on the western platforms.

Context is important. The current context of the tiktok ban is that it's hard for the US to control the political message with that big of a platform not under US control.

I happen to dislike censorship, even if it is done by the west.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I happen to like that tiktok spreads information about the genocide in Gaza,

So in the interest of that, you chose to deny that Tiktok is used to push CCP propaganda.

which is being shadowbanned on the western platforms.

Some of the Western platforms run by billionaires, yes, whom I explicitly compared to the CCP in the original comment.

Context is important. The current context of the tiktok ban is that it’s hard for the US to control the political message with that big of a platform not under US control.

You think it's the US government which is pushing Facebook and Twitter to censor Palestinian voices?

I happen to dislike censorship, even if it is done by the west.

But you'll tolerate it, if it pushes one view you do like? Or just if it's not done by the West?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

So in the interest of that, you chose to deny that Tiktok is used to push CCP propaganda.

There's a difference in not knowing and denying.

Some of the Western platforms run by billionaires, yes, whom I explicitly compared to the CCP in the original comment.

Yeah, when you ignored the context of the OP.

You think it's the US government which is pushing Facebook and Twitter to censor Palestinian voices?

Are you always this nitpicky?

But you'll tolerate it, if it pushes one view you do like? Or just if it's not done by the West?

No. I prefer a wide range of different news sources where I can judge the biases. I can still get good information from Tiktok if I know that I should be critical concerning anything about China's policy.

So you'd prefer it if Facebook/Twitter/Google/Microsoft/Amazon are the only ones in control of mass online discourse? (That's the type of strawman you're constructing of me)

[–] [email protected] -2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

There’s a difference in not knowing and denying.

As I said elsewhere, knowing it but still denying it, is considerably worse than being ignorant or confused.

Yeah, when you ignored the context of the OP.

... what context in the OP did I ignore?

Are you always this nitpicky?

This is what you said:

The current context of the tiktok ban is that it’s hard for the US to control the political message with that big of a platform not under US control.

I didn't realize that it was nitpicky to dispute a point.

No. I prefer a wide range of different news sources where I can judge the biases. I can still get good information from Tiktok if I know that I should be critical concerning anything about China’s policy.

You shouldn't be getting any of your information directly from social media. Furthermore, propaganda is like advertising - you are not immune to it. The "I'm too smart to be fooled" approach just makes you a mark.

So you’d prefer it if Facebook/Twitter/Google/Microsoft/Amazon are the only ones in control of mass online discourse? (That’s the type of strawman you’re constructing of me)

I would prefer it if none of them did, and if Facebook or Twitter or Google catches a ban, I won't be defending them as news sources which don't spread propaganda, "and if they did, so what?"

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

As I said: you're interested in dunking. I'm not interested in your debate-bro attitude. Especially, when you're (willfully) misrepresting me.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 9 hours ago

Lord.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

The United Nations Human Rights Council doesn't seem to think so. It put this to bed two years ago. https://www.euractiv.com/section/eu-china/news/setback-for-the-west-un-body-rejects-historic-debate-on-chinas-human-rights-record/

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 hours ago

You should actually read that article and not just the title. What happened there was entirely political.