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Hello comrades. In the interest of upholding our code of conduct - specifically, rule 1 (providing a friendly, safe and welcoming environment for all) - we felt it appropriate to make a statement regarding the lionization of Luigi Mangione, the alleged United Healthcare CEO shooter, also known as "The Adjuster."

In the day or so since the alleged shooter's identity became known to the public, the whole world has had the chance to dig though his personal social media accounts and attempt to decipher his political ideology and motives. What we have learned may shock you. He is not one of us. He is a "typical" American with largely incoherent, and in many cases reactionary politics. For the most part, what is remarkable about the man himself is that he chose to take out his anger on a genuine enemy of the proletariat, instead of an elementary school.

This is a situation where the art must be separated from the artist. We do not condemn the attack, but as a role model, Luigi Mangione falls short. We do not expect perfection from revolutionary figures either, but we expect a modicum of revolutionary discipline. We expect them not simply to identify an unpopular element of society hitler-detector , but to clearly illuminate the causes of oppression and the means by which they are overcome. When we canonize revolutionary figures, we are holding them up as an example to be followed.

This is where things come back to rule 1. Mangione has a long social media history bearing a spectrum of reactionary viewpoints, and interacting positively with many powerful reactionary figures. While some commenters have referred to this as "nothing malicious," by lionizing this man we effectively deem this behavior acceptable, or at the very least, safe to ignore. This is the type of tailism which opens the door to making a space unsafe for marginalized people.

We're going to be more strict on moderating posts which do little more than lionize the shooter. There is plenty to be said about the unfolding events, the remarkably positive public reaction, how public reactions to "propaganda of the deed" may have changed since the historical epoch of its conception (and how the strategic hazards might not have), and many other aspects of the news without canonizing this man specifically. We can still dance on the graves of our enemies and celebrate their rediscovered fear and vulnerability without the vulgar revisionism needed to pretend this man is some sort of example of Marxist or Anarchist practice.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Although Luigi probably did liquidate the CEO, I'm going to laugh so hard when it turns out he really was a patsy and this 150+ comment thread was a complete waste of time. The pro-Luigi side of this struggle session will lose big time while my shitposting about Luigi being a Lee Harvey Oswald will age like fine wine.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is what I was saying yesterday, all of these people just taking the cop's word for it that he's the guy and then they're off running. You can enjoy the liquidation itself, but maybe wait and see before you go jerking this guy off? Shouldn't you presume he's not guilty until the state stacks up enough evidence to prove it? Also I really doubt this is the radicalizing event people think it is. The same type of stuff was said about Occupy, Bernie campaign, 2020 protests, COVID-19, etc.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm enjoying shitposting about Luigi being a patsy, but there's a purpose to it. To be a hypocrite by being more serious about it, we should never trust the state's narrative and certainly not what a bunch of pigs say. They routinely frame innocent Black men for crimes they didn't commit, as in framing Black men for crimes where witnesses clearly saw that the criminals were white. Insofar as people want to take this funny incident and use it to radicalize people, two avenues should be focused:

  • The liquidation of the CEO was a clear instance of class warfare that everyone who isn't a capitalist ghoul or a working class traitor is celebrating or at least on board with.
  • The state controlled by capitalists is trying to ram a narrative down people's throats including the possibility of setting up a convenient patsy in order to salvage an instance of weakness displayed by the capitalist state.
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Almost totally agree, although I will restate I think the "radicalizing potential" of the moment is a bit overblown. I've seen these things come and go before, and I do know a few pearl clutching civility fetishists who are borderline apoplectic right now.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Yeah, I'm with you. It's should've stopped at people photoshopping the Fallout hub into the footage and people recreating the shooting in GTA. People are overblowing things.