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Hello comrades. In the interest of upholding our code of conduct - specifically, rule 1 (providing a friendly, safe and welcoming environment for all) - we felt it appropriate to make a statement regarding the lionization of Luigi Mangione, the alleged United Healthcare CEO shooter, also known as "The Adjuster."

In the day or so since the alleged shooter's identity became known to the public, the whole world has had the chance to dig though his personal social media accounts and attempt to decipher his political ideology and motives. What we have learned may shock you. He is not one of us. He is a "typical" American with largely incoherent, and in many cases reactionary politics. For the most part, what is remarkable about the man himself is that he chose to take out his anger on a genuine enemy of the proletariat, instead of an elementary school.

This is a situation where the art must be separated from the artist. We do not condemn the attack, but as a role model, Luigi Mangione falls short. We do not expect perfection from revolutionary figures either, but we expect a modicum of revolutionary discipline. We expect them not simply to identify an unpopular element of society hitler-detector , but to clearly illuminate the causes of oppression and the means by which they are overcome. When we canonize revolutionary figures, we are holding them up as an example to be followed.

This is where things come back to rule 1. Mangione has a long social media history bearing a spectrum of reactionary viewpoints, and interacting positively with many powerful reactionary figures. While some commenters have referred to this as "nothing malicious," by lionizing this man we effectively deem this behavior acceptable, or at the very least, safe to ignore. This is the type of tailism which opens the door to making a space unsafe for marginalized people.

We're going to be more strict on moderating posts which do little more than lionize the shooter. There is plenty to be said about the unfolding events, the remarkably positive public reaction, how public reactions to "propaganda of the deed" may have changed since the historical epoch of its conception (and how the strategic hazards might not have), and many other aspects of the news without canonizing this man specifically. We can still dance on the graves of our enemies and celebrate their rediscovered fear and vulnerability without the vulgar revisionism needed to pretend this man is some sort of example of Marxist or Anarchist practice.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago (5 children)

GOOD Post.

It's been kinda absurd seeing a site with strong ML principles uncritically embracing a petite bourgeois adventurist with fascist leanings and calling for copycats. As funny as the whole event has been, this debate was settled a century ago and in our era of shareholder imperialism assassination is probably an even less effective strategy than it was back then.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

At first, I was with the idea of redacting more CEOs. On some level, I still am; but that's EXCEEDINGLY TEMPERED by the knowledge that 1) the company replaced him same day, UPS shipping; and 2) their stock price actually jumped same day before closing bell. UHC profited off Thompson's death; but this is supposed to look like success to the tailists here? I keep questioning what got accomplished other than changing the wind that white folk expel on social media for a couple days.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

One CEO getting got has brought probably millions of people out talking about how the insurance agencies have killed or seriously harmed their friends or family members. The CEO isn't the important part. Like you said, he's just a cog in a machine. What's important is that this event has brought out a conversation across the working class about the harm Capitalism has done to them. It's revealed to many people the absolute disconnect between them and their nominal leaders. It's shown them that the ruling class can bleed. Three bullets from god's most failson Italian has had an enormous impact on working class consciousness. In spite of Luigi's standard issue American reactionary brain worms. It's important because anyone could have done this and every normal human understands why he did it and agreed with this direct and violent response to the violence of capitalism.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There was a brief bump immediately after but their stock has been falling since

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago

The bump was because investors discovered that Brian's hospital visit where he was pronounced dead was out of network, and they wouldn't have to pay out.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

This isn't an ML site. It's a left unity site where MLs are welcome. We have plenty of anarchists, just not State Department Anarchists™.

Unless that's changed, in which case the rules need to be updated and an announcement made.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

When I re-read Revolutionary Adventurism I just found myself nodding "yes yes" and then to see the amount of people trying to argue it's good is just baffling to me.

BTW, I will acknowledge that seeing the fervor of people in America about this issue is good - but we won't harness that fervor by offing more CEO's, and we don't need to give uncritical support to an adventurist.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

petite bourgeois

he was a small business owner?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

His family is quite wealthy, probably more accurately big bourgeoisie though nowhere near the top. The last time he was employed seems to have been over a year ago so he has money somehow.

The petite bourgeoisie isn't exclusively small business owners though. In Marx's time it included small merchants, self employed artisans, peasants that employed others, etc. and much more accurately refered to the middle classes that were not proletarians or big capitalists. Sometimes the intelligentsia is included as well. Today there aren't many artisans or peasants but there are a lot of white collar workers in the imperial core who produce very little and yet are substantially compensated through imperial super profits. These workers are distinctly not proletarian and tend to share many traits to the petite bourgeois of Marx's day including penchants for ultraleftism, spontaneity, lack of discipline, and tendencies towards nationalism and fascism. Mangione was definitely among this strata.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Ah yeah totally fair, I hadn't kept up with background. Wanted to make sure you weren't mistaking cultural marker (ivy league-educated) for actual relation to ownership of capital.

In Marx's time it included small merchants, self employed artisans, peasants that employed others, etc.

Just a nit-pick, all these people would be called small business owners today, at least in burgerland.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

Labour aristocracy is a more apt descriptor