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No, Kamala Harris Staffers Did Not Run a “Flawless” Campaign (www.thenation.com)
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Democratic strategists are still patting themselves on the back for a catastrophic defeat.

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[–] 69 points 2 years ago (37 children)

The DNC hasn't had a real primary since 2008. That's the real problem.

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  • [+] -7 points 2 years ago (11 children)

    Hey, at least the incumbent didn’t roll over and withdraw from the race last second in 2012 🙄

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    This loss is largely on Brandon for stroking his limp dick far, far too long.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    Brandon?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Let us proceed, Brandon.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Huh?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Right this way, Brandon.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Who?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    (I'll help ya, "let's go Brandon" refers to a chant at a NASCAR race of "fuck Joe Biden," to which a newscaster covering the event tried to be slick and say was actually "let's go Brandon," as one of the racists drivers in the race's names was Brandon, and then in response it became a meme mostly for the right/republicans. I'm personally surprised to see it being referenced above, as most people have spent the last few years decrying it as a nazi dogwhistle, but I'm curious to see if it now widens in popularity as people start to admit they never liked Biden either.)

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Sorry to have caught you in my being obnoxious!

    I know what it means it’s just silly to me that people with BIG, STRONG opinions cower at saying his name.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    Insulting term for Joe Biden.

    The House and Senate have rules of decorum about not using insults. So they have covert insults they use. Honourable and estimed are examples of these insults.

    If you watch any cspan you will notice those terms are always used for members of the other party.

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  • [+] -16 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    Just because the person you want doesn’t win doesn’t invalidate the primaries.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    That isn't what invalidated the primaries.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    Because they weren't "invalidated". In each and every primary the voters chose the delegates who choose the candidate. The DNC couldn't change that process without changing the charter even if they wanted to.

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  • [+] -17 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Cool

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Have you hit your head a lot? Asking out of genuine concern at this point. If so, use your insurance and make a doct- Nah, you're fucked, sorry bud.

    Brawndo wanted to go for a second term and then dropped out super late - thus not allowing us to have primaries this go around.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Brawndo wanted to go for a second term and then dropped out super late - thus not allowing us to have primaries this go around.

    That wasn't "the DNC" though. That was 100% on Biden. WTF did you think "the DNC" could have done about that?

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  • [+] -24 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (14 children)

    Aw jeez, can we get off the cheap 'primary' diversion? If Mr Trump dies of congestive heart failure on day 207 from an astounding number of big macs, you also don't get a primary to choose the next American president OR HIS VP.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 years ago (12 children)

    It's hardly a diversion. As stupid a choice as Trump is, he was still viewed by voters as their pick. While the Republican party is held hostage to the populist Trump and his supporters, the DNC won't even let voters participate in the selection of candidates. Can you really say that Biden won a normal primary (coming from behind as other candidates strategically dropped out)? Would you say Harris was selected by voters at all? Did Clinton's bailing out of the DNC in 2016 not register with you?

    I understand why voters haven't been that excited about the Democrats for over a decade.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago

    Yup the only Dem I voted for president instead of holding my nose voting against the Republican was Obama. Clinton, Kerry, Biden, Harris all sucked.

    Obama barely won the primary against Clinton and she made sure that wouldn't happen again with Bernie.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    Ideologically similar candidates dropped out of a race and put their support behind someone ideologically similar when it became apparent that they were splitting support. Once they did that support of the voters coalesced behind Biden. Not sure why people think that’s so strange.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    Putting aside how primaries are really not like team sports, I think that you have to admit that it was the DNC (or, charitably, the candidates) that chose Biden to remain in the race, rather than the voters. My whole point is that voters have had little say in the DNC primaries. That is what is strange. Voters should drive candidate selection, rather than just "coalesce".

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Who said it was like team sports?

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Ideologically similar candidates dropped out of a race and put their support behind someone ideologically similar when it became apparent that they were splitting support

    ie, like a team

    You brought up how the candidates seemed to view the contest in more of an us vs. them, or team competition, sort of way. This isn't how primaries typically work. Primaries are typically contests of individuals. Sorry if that was unclear enough that I had to explain it to you.

    Anyway, the point is that the voters didn't decide on Biden so much as Biden was decided for them.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    Anyway, the point is that the voters didn’t decide on Biden so much as Biden was decided for them.

    Dude every primary has worked the same since the early 1950's. The early states always have much more influence than the later states.

    Should all states vote at the same time? Yes probably so. But it likely made no difference. You still had the chance to vote for whoever you like, regardless of when your primary was.

    Who the hell would be dumb enough not to vote for Bernie just because earlier voters chose Biden?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago*

    Sorry that I keep posting and delete or edit. I think we’re talking past each other for whatever reason so it isn’t particularly useful to keep making arguments.

    Our differences aside I hope you have a good day :)

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago

    , I think that you have to admit that it was the DNC (or, charitably, the candidates) that chose Biden to remain in the race, rather than the voters

    That is not the slightest bit how things actually work. The DNC literally does not have any such power.

    You know the DNC is not a person right?

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  • [–] -4 points 2 years ago

    the DNC won’t even let voters participate in the selection of candidates.

    Can you stop with the nonsense? You just made that up out of nothing. You know the DNC is not a person right? Every primary works exactly the same. The voters elect the delegates who chose both the candidate and the DNC membership.

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