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Democratic strategists are still patting themselves on the back for a catastrophic defeat.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I think far too many people see the price of groceries, fall for the GOP line that it's Biden's fault (and that deporting all illegal immigrants will help) and think Trump will save the day.

Like, yeah, post-covid recovery has been hard. Mostly stagnant wages don't help. People feel that. Unfortunately it's harder to feel the fact that other countries are feeling the exact same things, often worse than we are, so they vote for some weird nostalgia for the days when things were better under Trump.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Sanders said it perfectly in his open letter after the election.

While the Democratic leadership defends the status quo, the American people are angry and want change. And they're right.

Today, while the very rich are doing phenomenally well, 60% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck and we have more income and wealth inequality than ever before. Unbelievably, real, inflation-accounted-for weekly wages for the average American worker are actually lower now than they were 50 years ago.

Democrats just didn't do enough to make people believe that their lives would change for the better from them. Continuing the status quo is not something they wanted to hear.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I can agree with that. People are so sick of things they want a disruptor. It's hard to present yourself as that when you're currently in office.

Going to the comment I replied to, most people don't really know or care enough about what's going on in Palestine right now. Not that that shouldn't, just that they don't (but admittedly those who do could be critical in Michigan). Medicare for all is certainly a disruptive idea, but it's only a piece of what makes a person a disruptor. One that I'd bet not everyone fully understands.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think Palestine was a demotivating factor for a lot of people, Michigan was still a pretty incredible outlier, but Trump picked up Muslim and Arab American voters across the board. A deciding factor? No, but a factor.

Now immigration... I've talked to people who've voted democratic by rote for their entire lives who voted for Trump over immigration. It was an extremely effective talking point that was ignored by Dems early on, then ceded to Republicans.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

but Trump picked up Muslim and Arab American voters across the board.

LIke Jews voting for Hitler.

I’ve talked to people who’ve voted democratic by rote for their entire lives who voted for Trump over immigration.

Because they liked Donald Trainwreck's Mass Green Card Policy? How idiotic can people get?

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/donald-trump-immigration-expansionist/

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-fans-rebel-over-immigration-proposal-green-card-college/

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

I don't even think anyone thought that hard about it. Immigration scary, waves of immigrants coming into the country type rhetoric was enough. It's not even about taking jobs, these people don't engage with the fact that exploitation of mostly illegal immigrants is why they have available fruits and vegetables at all. Our entire food system is built on making immigrants do difficult, dangerous, and degrading work.

These people are worried about their taxes having to pay for illegals when they themselves are struggling. It's wild shit!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Only a vocal, very noisy minority care about Palestine. The rest pretend to care to avoid being "cancelled". And the narrow voting marging showed that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

People are hurting, economically, and a lot of those people chose the person who is NOT in office, ie they voted against the incumbent who is telling them everything is fine and to stop whining.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

People are hurting, economically, and a lot of those people chose the person who is NOT in office

That is actually a flaw in democracy. Many people don't get that the person who is not in office can easily make things worse. So we usually get 8 years of 1 party, then 8 years of the other party. Way too many people forget after 4 or 8 years how terrible the incompetent the GOP is.

they voted against the incumbent who is telling them everything is fine and to stop whining.

Biden never once told anybody that. If anything Biden allowed his huge accomplishments (record low unemployerment, soft landing, lowest inflation of any developed country) to be underplayed.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

My gods... you're talking about a "soft landing" and "his accomplishments"...

You understand stonks going up doesn't matter if you are a week from being homeless, and an empty cupboard, right?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Levels of homelessness and food stress higher than any period except the Great Depression be damned right?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

It's as simple as Harris said things would continue the same way, and Trump promised change. With grocery prices as they are, people voted based on that.