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Original post here: https://hexbear.net/post/3856299?scrollToComments=false

I think we have a general path forward based on community feedback. "We see you, we hear you!"

I went ahead and unpinned the old post. I'm pinning this one for now and will edit this post when I wake up from eepy time. I had a very mid week and have no particular alarm set so be on look out. Love y'all and I'm amped for my first announcement post since coming back. :)

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I think there should probably be some accountability for whoever was/were behind "the white cishet man vibes" part of the post, editing it out of the original post doesn't change that is was there, saying that shit was kinda fucked, as many people in the original post noted

[–] [email protected] 54 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yeah carcosa stepping down makes things worse not better. The issue was in no way carcosa, in fact they made it much less bad than it could have been. The idea that carcosa steps down and those cowardly mods still get to run around behaving like gross bigots pisses me off.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

I still don't fully understand what is happening. I know I don't want @[email protected] to go though

[–] [email protected] 40 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (116 children)

Apparently this is why they are stepping down? I really disagree with that, people are conflating "trying to avoid more drama" with "working with nazis" in the other thread. I feel like I missed something there.
On top of that this is Carcosas reasoning for stepping down which is what motivated me to hammer home that they handled this situation as best as it possibly could be handled and they really should not step down for making mistakes, when the only mistake they've made is listen to those shitty mods.

People, me included, are mad because of the mod statement that was released about the closing down of the comms + The reasoning for closing down the comms. In a lot of ways it seems like this is the culmination of something that has been a long time coming and been unresolved for far too long - Some users think posting is praxis and that hexbear should be the headquarters of the revolutionary vanguard.
These users are dipshits that don't understand that most leftist orgs are also just fun places to hang out and shoot the shit. That's why people choose to volunteer for that kind of stuff - Because it is, in part, nice.
These dipshits furthermore think their treats are somehow less treatlike than the treats they dislike despite both treats being hexbear.
Finally they have a narc mindset.
Also they smell bad and they coat their shitty behaviour with leftist rhetoric so they can get away with it. Lots of talk about "chauvinism", "bigotry" and "toxicity" despite the previous thread being full of those very same people being incredibly hostile, dismissive, derisive, misgendering, ableist and a lot more. This isn't hypocrisy, because they don't actually care about bigotry, they just use it as an excuse to avoid self-reflection.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I don't understand why this place can't be both a place to help people organise and do productive stuff and be a fun place to shitpost.

I dunno, I am pretty dumb I guess.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 4 days ago (4 children)

No you're on the money because it does not make sense. It's a lot easier to organize in places with people than it is in a barren desert.
On top of that I do not understand why people think we need to be productive on a website we visit for fun. This is not a place I go to create value. I am not here to work.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Given some of the recent history, sometimes seems like we have a transphobic mod/admin problem, not a transphobic user problem.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yeah lol the last thread about misogyny I had to bite my tongue not to blurt out "over half this site is queer! Maybe the problem isn't just the 10 cishet guys we keep as pets! Maybe you should look inwards you fucking dorks! Maybe you're the issue!"

[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

queer people also aren't immune to misogyny brainworms unfortunately. I had some qualms about some details of that thread (if I'm thinking of the same one), but to say the mods are The Problem then as now...

I guess I'm just not sure i'm totally on board with the "shitty mod clique" thesis you're operating on. I think there are definitely some people operating more on vibes and their personal comfort, which sometimes results in bad analysis, but on the other hand, we want all sorts of marginalized people to be comfortable here, so its not like you can completely ignore those factors either.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 days ago

But on the other hand, we want all sorts of marginalized people to be comfortable here, so its not like you can completely ignore those factors either.

I 100% agree! I tried to word this in such a way as to make it clear I do not disagree with that sentiment at all but I couldn't figure out a way to make it explicitly clear, without being clunky.
What I was trying to say was that there is a group of people who do not care about these issues they allege, but instead use them as an excuse to push thru changes they wish to see in the site, despite those changes being deeply unpopular. They can then say "oh it's only unpopular with bigots!" to avoid any critique.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 days ago (1 children)

agree, this was the thing that peeved me the most about the whole debacle honestly. also don't think carcosa needs to step down unless it's also for personal reasons.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (4 children)

For me what pissed me off, was an alt account of one of our users telling everyone to kill themselves if we disagreed with them because apparently we're just a bunch of chauvinistic white males...

[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 days ago (1 children)

That alt was the most heated person in the struggle session

I have a theory 👁

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 days ago (3 children)
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[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 days ago (1 children)

yeah I thankfully missed that part. definitely a bizarre addition to the story

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