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Or at least all the candidates counted with the dataset I could find

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

15million people that voted Biden last time couldn't be bothered putting in a protest vote for something.

If Americans actually did this it would scare the fuck out of the two parties to see a third, fourth and fifth candidate with millions of votes.

Instead they resign themselves to apathy and "it's wasted anyway". When actually getting up and doing that shit directly empowered things like the UK leaving the EU.

If the 15million missing voters were on other parties instead of just being absent the Dems would have to reckon with "we need to be more like this third party to get those votes". But instead what we're seeing is "we need to be more like Republicans to get those votes"

What is it with americans and simply not voting or recognising political power exists within votes outside the two parties?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 38 minutes ago

it would scare the fuck out of the two parties

I think seeing over 100k votes for communists might do that at least a little bit. And Greens coming in 3rd.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

It's the electoral college. There's no point in voting if you don't live in a swing state. Republicans only won the popular vote 2 times since 1992 and it doesn't mean much as far as US electoral politics is concerned. It's literally just trivia to make libs feel better whenever they eat shit.

I've always thought a better way for US third parties to approach this is to form a regional party that caters to a particular state or region. They probably still wouldn't win, but they could get to a point where they could outmuscle one of the parties. I think somewhere like Vermont could be a good place, a solid blue state that's taken for granted as a solid blue state by the DNC.

Before Sanders joined Congress, he actually was in a good spot as mayor of Burlington. Sanders should've tried building a third party or more seriously help a preexisting third party that's centered around Vermont. If done right, this party could've gone to the point where city counsel and mayors throughout Vermont are either members of that party or have to pay political tribute to that party. They probably won't be anywhere close to electing a governor or earning an electoral vote, but the Republicans don't exactly have a serious presence in Vermont either. They just need to have a larger state presence within Vermont than the Republicans.

Browsing through Wikipedia, apparently Vermont already has this party called the Vermont Progressive Party with a decent amount of positions with Vermont. And Sanders did help build the party, which makes me think he never should've gone to Congress to shill for Zionists and instead stayed in Vermont working tirelessly to continue building the party. The main issue is that it's just a socdem party and electoralism in general can only take you so far.

I think it's wiser for the various ML parties in the US to have a gentlemen's agreement where they divide the US into various zones and focus their organizing on their assigned zones only. If nothing else, it will cut down on embarrassing sectarianism like when PSL and FRSO got into a fight over Palestinian organizing in Chicago(?).