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For Agitprop purposes, I’m asking comrades to help aggregate any and all effortpost responses, critiques, or general thoughts that you have seen or written pertaining to yesterday’s U.S. election that you think have standalone value for discussion either online or IRL.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

I'm gonna be honest, I think this was all down to inflation and Biden's unpopularity and any democrat running nationally in this environment was just fucked no matter what.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

Harris and the rest of the Democrats were and are way too dismissive of real economic issues; there's examples in this very thread of them still doing the whole "Ignore the voters: the economy is actually the best it's ever been, and here's why: (1/942)" charade.

I'm genuinely unsure if this incompetence is on purpose or on accident - do they actually believe that the average American is doing really well because they're just in delusional bubbles of rich friends, or are they knowingly trying to sell a false image to try and convince people in lieu of - gasp - doing something that doesn't benefit the top 0.01% for the first time in ~250 years? Regardless, I think that a Democrat who ran on solving genuine economic issues and disconnected from Biden's terrible management could have won. But such a figure would never have been tolerated in the election. In fact, I think they'd be Corbyn'd and they'd just tank their own campaign to ensure that the Republicans win, so in that sense, Bernie also would not have won in this environment.

So in that sense, saying "any democrat running nationally in this environment was just fucked no matter what" is correct, but not on their own merits, but because somebody who could win would not be allowed to win. The Venn diagram is two separated circles.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 19 hours ago

How much could a banana cost, 10 dollars?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

any democrat running nationally in this environment was just fucked no matter what

Nah, if a Democrat ran on being significantly different from Biden and going after the greedy companies causing inflation (with that wording explicitly) they would have had a chance.

Of course there are next to no Democrats that would use that kind of rhetoric. Maybe Bernie but really he'd probably be too civility minded chickenshit to talk bad about his good friend Biden.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah people really don't like Trump. People just won't vote for you if you downplay their suffering, which is exactly what the Dems have been doing the whole time.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 18 hours ago

But the economy is great! The good line is going up and the bad line isn't going up as fast as it was!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 19 hours ago

I mean, yes they could have done that, but the fact is that the guy presiding over this situation has a D next to his name and that's incredibly difficult for anyone else with a D next to their name to deal with, no matter what they would say. Especially his VP.