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I haven't seen that for some time, unless you're broad brushing people that don't like when artists stop getting commissions or lose their livelihoods entirely.
In the current economic system you're saying that artists trying to get paid for making art should effectively cease to exist.
Nah this is lib shit.
No attacking artists for trying to avoid having their work (labor) stolen is lib shit. I am not arguing with you because there is nothing to argue about with a liberal.
I just noticed that you're arguing with a 4 day old account that name-dropped me in the title of one of his own threads.
It takes one click to notice that an account name I haven't seen before, one posting quite a bit and name-dropping me in their own thread titles, is 4 days old. Bad faith posters and alt accounts of previously banned people are a thing, and I think you already know that.
If you aren't either of those in intent, cool off, take a little walk, and come back and bring the funny or whatever.
I reserve the right to be cautious when I'm getting a lot of escalating interaction from a 4 day old account that apparently already knew enough about me and what I'm about to make me a topic of a thread post.
Good. Carry on then.
I get pinged all the time. It's usually fun.
Feel that way if you must, but I am explaining why a lot of people here aren't quite as bazinga for the treat printers when it comes to driving artists entirely out of the craft because of economic precarity, consequently leading to even more expansion of the bland and bleak brave new world of treat printers.
Are you so certain of that?
You may be more correct there than you realize, especially regarding my first question there.
Yeah fanfiction is cool and good but there really are people, from paid-by-commission artists to graphic designers to writers under publisher contracts that are all affected by treat printers. Their material conditions have worsened and precarity has increased. "You got yours," so to speak, but that doesn't mean you speak for everyone else there. Losing a job sucks; that shouldn't be hard for you to understand.
Even if that were so (and that really depends on how wide your definitions are), does that invalidate the existence of everyone that does try to make a living with their art?
Ideologically absolute anti-IP stances with no considerations for ordinary artists that aren't IP-hoarding corporations aren't likely to win over those artists or the people that care about them. You complained about a relative lack of support for your positions here. I am explaining why that is so.
Again. It isn't just about IP. As @[email protected] has already pointed out, people's labor has been stolen and continues to be stolen. If you can't accept that or acknowledge that, you're floating on a cloud of liberal privilege and it's up to you to come down from it.
Again, you're ignoring the material reality of currently existing (and recently forcibly retired) artists who aren't "IP" hogs and whose economic precarity has worsened because of treat printers as they are being applied, now, in our current material reality. If you think the only meaningful way to steal art is to physically carry off a painting, I really don't have anything else to say to you.
I doubt it'd convince me, if it's just more of the same. Your ideological fundamentalism dismisses and outright ignores too many working class people and I doubt that a paragraph more of that would help.
more lib shit
You do realize I am a mod of this conm and I have to. You could just stop posting here and then I wouldn't have to deal with your shit.
U right though I'm being lazy by not just banning your annoying ass
This seriously the hill you wanna die on? Defending AI art for stealing actual artists work? Is that seriously what you are doing right now?
Because frankly at this point I am abusing my power by NOT banning you you dumb motherfucker.
you say in your other comment that people are defending IP hoarding by defending people on the small scale, but right here you do the exact same thing in reverse - using the morality of piracy on the large scale in order to win an argument grounded in the small scale
people are saying 'small artists that eke by are getting screwed out of compensation for their labour' and you're chiming in with 'why are you trying to stop me from pirating from Marvel?'
you're either purposefully being obtuse about this, or you genuinely are so focused on validating your own piracy that you're talking right past the conversation entirely