this post was submitted on 23 Sep 2024
1446 points (98.3% liked)

Political Memes

5252 readers
1720 users here now

Welcome to politcal memes!

These are our rules:

Be civilJokes are okay, but don’t intentionally harass or disturb any member of our community. Sexism, racism and bigotry are not allowed. Good faith argumentation only. No posts discouraging people to vote or shaming people for voting.

No misinformationDon’t post any intentional misinformation. When asked by mods, provide sources for any claims you make.

Posts should be memesRandom pictures do not qualify as memes. Relevance to politics is required.

No bots, spam or self-promotionFollow instance rules, ask for your bot to be allowed on this community.

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] [email protected] 20 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Authoritarianism is cool when you’re the one being an authoritarian.

Really sucks when someone you don’t agree with decides what is allowed or not.

If you give a government power to decide who is allowed in the government, even if you think it’s for the right reasons, you’ve now created a system where all it takes is one or a few people to turn a utopia into a grueling dictatorship.

That’s not really a good gamble

[–] [email protected] -2 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

If we want to get out from the late capitalist dystopia, repression against reactionary forces is the only way.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

And then what? Yes, identifying and resisting an oppressive power structure is all well and good, but any revolution has to grapple with the fact that you will still have a massive population with cultural and ideological structures that can only conceive of the world in terms of the old system. Congratulations, you've toppled the government and now you have the power to implement a new system. What will you do with that power? Will you implement yet another system in which there is a powerful in-group that the law protects but does not bind and a disempowered out-group that the law binds but does not protect?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

you will still have a massive population with cultural and ideological structures that can only conceive of the world in terms of the old system

We force them in the new system

Will you implement yet another system in which there is a powerful in-group that the law protects but does not bind and a disempowered out-group that the law binds but does not protect?

No, the new system would be "right-wingers and rich lobbyists fuck off while normal people thrive and late stage capitalist dystopia is finally unwinded, and whoever opposes it gets rekt"

[–] [email protected] 2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Okay, but you haven't really answered the question of "what's the new system". You don't have to solve all the problems of creating a new society, but you should have a general idea. "Not the old system and not the past people" is not an actual system. "Normal people thrive" is not an actual system.

For example, monarchy would be a system where "capitalist dystopia is finally unwinded and whoever opposes it gets rekt," but somehow I don't think that's what you want.

You have to make an actual positive claim about what you envision, about your ideology, values, ethics, etc.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

A system that doesn't fuck up the environment and creates people as wealthy as entire states should be enough.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

"not fucking up the environment" and "not creating wealthy elites" are descriptions of outcomes, not descriptions of political/economic systems like democracy, capitalism, monarchy, or Marxism.

So given that you want to achieve these outcomes, what political/economic system do you think would better help us achieve them? What system of governing people and economic product do you think would help us better preserve the environment and avoid wealthy elites?

For example, Marxism suggests a transitional phase of "dictatorship of the proletariat" that might align with things you've said. However it is exactly that, transitional. Historical examples of this we've seen such as Cuba, Vietnam, and China have transitioned to some form of market economics and with that, re-emergence of wealthy elites.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

I'll take anything to fix this mess of a world. ANYTHING. Marxism, Communism, whateverism.