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I went through "Bedrijfshulpverlening" (Dutch, if you want to run it through translate just in case I mess up the correct translation). I guess it's business first responder or something.
When we were attending the fire training part and we were teached about fires, someone asked "what if there is a car fire". They said: "starting petrol car fires can be extinguished with a portable extinguisher if you are lucky. But electric car fires, leave them alone. They seal the cars in special water-filled containers and leave them alone for two weeks. There are reports that even after the two weeks, when the car was retrieved from the water, the fire started again on it's own. Firefighters really hate electric vehicles".
Lithium is a metal right? Putting water on a metal fire usually just makes the fire worse.
Lithium isn’t just a metal it’s a metal that has a rapid exothermic reaction with water. Or at least that’s what I remember my high school Chem teacher saying.
That's when it's not even on fire, right? Like pure sodium or aluminium (I forget which one combusts in water and which was just the air)?
Pure sodium can react with the moisture in the air. (If I recall correctly).
Aluminium is used in drink cans and is very inert. Aluminium shavings can burn though and they’re difficult to extinguish.
Pure elemental aluminum isn't stable. The aluminum used in cans and such is an alloy and not pure elemental aluminum. My chemistry teacher blew a hole in the ceiling tiles of the classroom when he showed this off. The sodium didn't react nearly as violently (but he also used a much smaller chunk).
Are you referring to the immediate oxidation of the outer layer when exposed to air?
aluminum is stable in the sense that the outer layer oxidizes rapidly and prevents the rest of the metal from reacting with anything. the reason thermite is so exothermic is because of massive amount of surface area provide by the powdered metal. a chunk of aluminum simply isn't dangerous.
You are right, but in the case of a Lithium battery fire the strategy is to use the large thermal capacity of water to cool the battery until the reaction is done.
I just remembered i can even name myself as a source when i fucked up and punctured my phone battery while disassembling it (those dumbasses used large amounts of adhesives to mount the battery and i wasn't careful enough). I simply dropped it into a bucket of water and waited it out.
"alright, is everyone here? this is an all-hands meeting. Where is Joey? Is he in the bathroom again? He's missed the last 3 meetings... Anyway. Top of the agenda, there's apparently a fire, right over there. Fires are kinda hot and so we have been sure to stay a good distance away, as to not raise the temperature of everyone's complimentary bottled water, handed out at this meeting.
Now it says here that we should tackle this situation as quickly as possible. Has anyone run the numbers by the finance team? We don't want to spend too much on this. The big-wigs upstairs never think about the big picture, and really I don't see why one fire is worth pivoting all our available resources. Samantha, yes?"
"Sir, the fire is growing at an alarming rate, shouldn't we just postpone the meeting and focus on the fire?"
"See, that's exactly the kind of thinking the execs have. But if we spend all our resources, cuts will be made, and jobs will be lost. Not mine, of course, but others. Did anyone do a PR analysis on us 'putting out this fire' versus just running a week-long 'we are sorry' ad campaign?"
(lol I just got the thought and ran with it)
"This could've been an email"
In Amsterdam firefighters have thrown burning teslas in de gracht for a few days.