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Let's also not forget that China has forgiven interest free loans to African nations: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-08-23/china-to-waive-some-africa-loans-offer-10-billion-in-imf-funds
Ah, thanks for the info; I do recall reading about this before but it felt as though the news undersold China's actions.
I often think about a conversation I had with a liberal who was basically asking me to convince them that China isn't an evil gommulist world security threat. I was contrasting China's foreign policy and economic actions against the west's and how the IMF just straight up does debt peonage and cripples nations, while China offers deals and doesn't use threats and military pressure to force acquiescence. After explaining that China's tactic towards Africa and the rest of the developing nations is to try to help them develop themselves into successful, rich economies so that they can engage in mutually beneficial trade with China, and China even forgives some loans to those nations as a result of that longterm interest, he gave me a knowing look and smugly said "Ohhhh, I see what they're doing, heh heh."
He still thinks China's evil, he just now thinks they're evil because they're using dastardly good, helpful tactics instead of starting wars, coups, and genocides. Fucking liberals.
I'm personally trying a different tactic with liberals and instead asking them if they were an African country, given these two possibilities (China or America + other imperialist/former colonialist/neocolonialist countries), who would they honestly consider the better business partner; I'd also remind them Libya (the most prosperous African country) was once really close to America and look where they are now. I'd also ask them if they consider African people mentally inferior because all they have to do is hear what African leaders who denounce the US and France (and Germany in at least one case) have to say and whether they think African people aren't intelligent enough to choose for themselves. I tell them Africa's former colonial masters certainly felt African people weren't capable of governing themselves, perhaps they think Africa should be run by Western countries again (or I will the next time this comes up).
Of course the people on the other side of this question are liberals; I'm not getting my hopes up. As BlackAdder once said: "The eyes are open, the mouth moves, but Mr Brain has long since departed, hasn't he, Perce?"
I'd be interested to hear if you have any success!