this post was submitted on 29 Aug 2024
112 points (91.2% liked)
Fediverse
17849 readers
10 users here now
A community dedicated to fediverse news and discussion.
Fediverse is a portmanteau of "federation" and "universe".
Getting started on Fediverse;
- What is the fediverse?
- Fediverse Platforms
- How to run your own community
founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
Maybe we should do a reverse embrace-extend-extinguish where we open everything up until the point that they start introducing ads to enshittify the platform. Then after that great migration say goodbye to them
They can't place ads in your feeds.
they technically could do this by representing ads with posts.
Why would you subscribe to those? Or are you claiming they would post ads as if they are from a user? In the latter case - the EU would shut them down before they even had time to deploy that.
yeah, I see them being posted into their DB (and therefore federated as) a post as if they are a user. they can earmark that post as an ad and properly present it as such in their own platform but anyone federated would see the post as-is.
they could either obfuscate how they mark it as an ad or just not provide that information at all to federating instances.
then I can totally see them claiming they don't control other instances and can't be responsible for whether or not the federated ads are presented as such.
As I have already posted elsewhere in this thread, if they post ads as a user they would get shut down by the EU immediately.
Any other suggestions?
ok but I'm not in the EU nor is my instance so that doesn't really apply to me.
Of course it does. The EU is such a big market that Meta cannot afford to do that.
companies are capable of operating under different rules in different jurisdictions, they do it all the time. just look at how they handle data in EU due to GDPR vs how they do it everywhere else. I don't see why this case would be much different.
Please think your argument through at a technical level. How would Meta be able to push posts-masking-as-users to only non-EU citizens?
The simple answer is that no, there's no way Meta can push ads into clients and/or servers that aren't under their control. They also don't need to - Threads is much bigger than the Mastodon-part of the fediverse.
It depends on how you read posts on Mastadon. I can see methods of developing ways that read Mastadon posts that can hide ads in it.
Please post one of those ways and I'll shoot it down.
Most platforms (especially reddit, instagram, twitter) moved ads from ad-dedicated spaces, to authentic-seeming posts, that are actually ads.
Sure, but that cannot happen here.
Sure they can. If you can't see them you might want to consider checking out Monkey Joe's optometry, they're pretty cheap and got good stock.
Why would I subscribe to a fake account pushing ads?
That’s exactly the point. There are a lot of users on Threads who might be happy with the Fediverse. Threads will undoubtedly need a put in ads in their app/instance, their enshittification is inevitable. If it becomes easy for users to move over to more friendly Fediverse instances, that is a win.
My bad - I misread. Yeah that's a good point.
They meant after Threads enshitifies itself and the users migrate to a proper Fedi platform then we block out Threads.
They can still train ML models (create profit) from the data they get from you without consent.
They can do that no matter if I federate with them or not.
And in one of those cases they are violating a very clear "this is not okay" signal, and in the other they are not.
They're already training on that data. No signals of relevance here.