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North Dakota voters will decide this fall whether to eliminate property taxes in what would be a first for a state and a major change that officials initially estimate would require more than $1 billion every year in replacement revenue.

Secretary of State Michael Howe’s office said Friday that backers submitted more than enough signatures to qualify the constitutional initiative for the November general election. Voters rejected a similar measure in 2012.

Property taxes are the base funding for numerous local government services, including sewers, water, roads, jails, deputies, school building construction and teacher salaries — “pretty much the most basic of government,” said North Dakota Association of Counties Executive Director Aaron Birst.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Fun fact. That was in Grafton, NH. NH doesn't have sales tax. Instead, there's a correspondingly high property tax.

At least they get good value for it. The schools aren't terrible, and the roads are better than the much wealthier state of MA right nearby.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Does North Dakota have the same tourism industry that New Hampshire has?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

Lol. One of the "must see places" was the state capital. Which is a 21-floor art deco style sky-scraper.

Woop-dee doo.

What a weird-ass state.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Definitely not. There's Teddy Roosevelt National Park, which is gorgeous, but it doesn't attract nearly as much tourism of all the stuff that's four hours south...

South Dakota has Badlands National Park, Mount Rushmore, Crazy Horse, Wind Cave National Park, Jewel Cave National Monument, Minuteman Missile National Historic Site, Mammoth Site, Black Hills National Forest, Deadwood and Sturgis, a couple good private zoos in Reptile Gardens and Bear Country. All of that stuff is within a 1 hour drive of Rapid City, which has plenty of good hotels and restaurants and just generally what you'd expect from a modern midsize city. Rapid City is honestly worth the trip for anyone, but If you're a real outdoorsy person then you could easily enjoy a month out there. Oh and then not that far away (relatively speaking - 2 hours drive) is Devil's Tower in Wyoming.

So no... NoDak is comparatively sparse. And they probably like it that way.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

Gonna get even more sparse when they eliminate running water and sewage service.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

NoDak is comparatively sparse. And they probably like it that way.

And therein lies the problem. New Hampshire gets away with it because they have money coming in from people visiting the state (and the state owning the liquor stores).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

And they get some "bedroom community" money from people working in and around Boston that don't want to live in Mass. Not an unreasonable commute down i93 or i95, especially if your job is in the north burbs.

Pretty sure none of that applies in North Dakota. Maybe there's folks working in Fargo or Grand Forks that prefer Minnesota? But it's not many.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

For anyone interested

For anyone wondering why "Liquor and Beer" doesn't say tax at the end like tobacco, every liquor store in the state is run by the state.

https://www.nh.gov/transparentnh/where-the-money-comes-from/