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submitted 4 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (5 children)

Do that many people in Israel really support this?

I guess Lemmy doesn't have a big enough Israeli community to answer that, but I have a hard time picturing an analogue for this in other countries.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I would think they detest the act, but they would argue it wasn't rape because legally only a citizen can be raped and that the victims were traumatized repeatedly weren't citizens.

And they will be angry at you for making them think about it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

They spent years dehumanizing palestinians. They probably don't see them as human anymore, let alone citizens

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

Yes, and it's cultural

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

legally only a citizen can be raped

Eh, that's not how that works, that's not how anything works

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

That's how Israeli law works...

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

As the conversation in the Knesset I've linked below proves, it's not a fringe opinion in israel.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

Israeli here.

There is enough bad blood between us and the Palestinians for many people to approve the rape, and after 7.10 they feel confident enough to vocally support it. At least - the mob on the street and in social media. The more subtle right-wingers (as you may have guessed - this became a partisan thing) don't condone the rape itself - but they have a few "but"s:

They say that the soldiers are heroes that operate in harsh conditions, and we should be more forgiving toward such "venting".
They say that we should be more skeptic toward the testimonies of the released Palestinians prisoners, and should not start investigations based on their complains.
They say that the arrest of the soldiers could have been done in a more peaceful and gentle way. (personal opinion - this argument is the only one that has some merit to it. Doesn't justify the rampage though)
The rampage against the arrest is a legitimate democratic protest, and the establishment is only handling it with extreme prejudice because it's a right-wing thing.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Abu Ghraib comes to mind. War does horrific things to people's minds.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Abu Ghraib

Did US citizens really support it though?

I feel like a lot of US warcrimes are done with the public being ignorant of them, while what's remarkable to me is that so many people in Israel seem to support it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Well, at the very least war warped the minds of the soldiers, making them do horrible things and laugh about it.

It all comes.downnto the politicians that push this war, and it's narrative. With Abu Ghraib, the US citizens didn't know about it, until they did and it became a scandal.

I guess the difference here for the Israel citizens is that they are right smack in the middle of it. That doesn't excuse it but does explain it