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The debate isn't even the issue. It's the fact that we just got a king and he's saying that we, the people who voted him in, are the only ones that can stop a dictatorship. We're not - he literally has all of the power to save democracy and isn't doing jack but campaign on the fall of the US
Nothing is stopping him from Officially Acting on six Supreme Court Justice literally right now.
The presidency gained expanded immunity not expanded powers. He can give the CIA illegal orders without fear of prosecution, but the CIA is not bound to follow them.
That's the key difference in how this change impacts a Biden Presidency, and how it would impact a Trump presidency. Biden has surrounded himself with people who respect the law, while Trump will surround himself with criminals, lackies, and cultists.
Except that it would be against the law, and it's hard to contrast yourself with Trump if you are also now committing crimes (even if those crimes are for the bettering of the US). Immunity doesn't blank your crimes from the public's minds, and forcefully removing even bad faith Justices from the Supreme Court is not a great look when he has been campaigning on knowing "right from wrong" and respecting the rule of law.
I'll remember biden not executing 6 justices and letting us slide into fascism all so he can keep his optics of being the candidate that knows right from wrong. Fuck all that, biden should use his powers granted by the Supreme Court to right the ship, because when he loses this election Trump is gonna execute a lot more people and expand his power so now isn't the time for him to be a pussy old man and use the remaining life his has to fuck shit up to stop fascism
If Biden executes six supreme justices, he's the fascist.
Fascism is already here. It officially arrived last week in a little box labeled "Pandora" and now it's just a question of who will open it.
Historically, violence is the only way to stop fascism. But if you want to play the fascists game of just going over the lines so you don't respond with violence, don't be surprised when they win. If you cant see the difference between violence to fight fascism and violence that is fascism then you're a kind of 'both sides' person I don't think has what it takes to stop fascists.
I'm not saying it's not necessary. It is.
Modern Dems don't shoot first. Something extreme has to happen but executing sitting justices is probably plan C or D. They are no doubt going to try to win and be right (as far as playing by the old rules will allow) first, and if they even try to toe the line of the dark side, it will be a Hail Mary at the last minute. Likely in the buyers remorse/lame duck period.
Edit: Dems see it as the nuclear option that it is. Republicans see it as a bubble-hearth with no cooldown.
I don't get the whole "holier than thou" mentality of the Democratic party. It IS the law and we need to follow it accordingly.
I'm not asking for Biden to execute 6 Supreme Court justices, but maybe he can throw them in jail as an "official" act.
Stop sticking to a playbook that no longer exists. Show real fucking leadership and demonstrate why their ruling needs a second fucking look!
As an official act, declare war on these domestic enemies of our democratic republic. Reread the Declaration of Independence again, TODAY! Of all days! Freedom has to be fought for. It takes risk and sacrifice, just as the signers risked and sacrificed. King Joe should show them what they did and disappear them using the executive powers. He doesn't have to kill them, just capture them and their cohorts, remove them from the chess board as it is, and then as an official act, put their lies and misdeeds on display. Show why these enemies deserve their temporary fates. Then, once his reelection is secure, amend the Constitution as necessary and put better minded justices on SCOTUS who have to follow the same rules of ethics every other federal judge has to follow. Then do what Washington did by giving up the kingly authority, pledging allegiance again to the rule of law and We the People. Submit that if he committed any crime, then tell the people that he can be held accountable by a jury, beyond a reasonable doubt like any other defendant. Any decent jury would find enough reasonable doubts to never convict him and no prosecutor with any good reputation would try to prosecute him. The current SCOTUS has no faith in juries. If they did, they would let the Orange Conman face trial and prove his innocence.
They worded and ruled the way they did, because they know there is a 0% chance Biden would carry out anything he would have to declare immunity for, because he is so worried about being a "both sides" politician. And the SCOTUS didn't make any of that "the law", it's still illegal, BUT the President can now claim immunity for breaking the law and nobody can do anything about it. It plays against the morals of the Left, since the Right sold their morals for power long ago.
And Biden could certainly do something that counters this without having to break the law, and exercise this new immunity. He could be running on expanding the Court, bumping the number to 13 Justices (one Justice for each US federal circuit court), adding new qualified Judges instead of inexperienced partisan hacks. He could run on adding rules on ethics and time limits for the Court, make the members (or a staggered amount of them) do a rotation out and back to one of the 13 US federal circuit court systems every 4 years (or whatever). This would go a long way against this weaponizing of the Court with bad faith Justices that are putting Politics/$ over the country and the law, and it would be all legal.
Trump is legit about to have those powers, and the only way to get that to not happen is for Biden to do something first. He will lose the public's vote if he doesn't (and he won't, so he'll send us straight into the Trump Kingdom). The time to play hardball with these scumbags was long ago, and he's still using the kid gloves.
The GOP won't use kid gloves next year.