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[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (6 children)

I'm not voting for the insurrectionist in 2024. I don't care how frail Biden looks. The choice is obvious. I'll worry about the next candidate.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 5 months ago (1 children)

No one Is suggesting you should vote for Trump and his fascist. I'm saying I'm worried Biden won't beat Trump and his fascist in an election because he's not a strong candidate at all. This is the same problem we have with Hillary in 2016

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

You're not wrong, but he's the incumbent. They were never going to switch him out. He beat Trump last time, and there's no way the DNC was ever going to float someone different. Hillary was not the incumbent.

But man it would be awesome to have "Yes we can" slogan energy back again. The speeches on the runup to Obama's first presidential election were so morale-boosting. I ended up canvassing for him when I lived in northwest Indiana with my baby in a stroller and my toddler walking around with us. It was awesome.

Now I mostly just vote and get really upset a lot.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago

The reality is that with the Republicans embracing fascism America will not recover without the candidacy of another FDR, someone who voters can not only want to vote for but will replace any overly partisan Congresscritter that opposes his agenda.

That's not happening. Period. Maybe the Democrats will win this year, maybe not, but in 2026 and 2028 they'll still be ratcheting America to fascism regardless with their neverending deluge of "moderates" that are always a little more right than before in an appeal to voters who want a dictator instead of picking candidates their base actually wants.

This road isn't ending well no matter what happens.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I dont care who you vote for. It is very clear to me you will vote for Democrats. That is great.

I do care about who my aunt and her family votes for, a lot. She is democrat leaning. Her husband is republican leaning. They both believe the middle class is getting destroyed by politicians for the last 2 decades. They are both retired. They used to be middle/low income. These days they are clearly low income.

In 2004, they both voted for Bush.
In 2008, they both voted for Obama.
In 2012, they both voted for Obama.
In 2016, they both claimed to vote for Trump, although I believe my aunt might have voted for Hillary. (Uncle has military background. He kept saying if he did what Hillary did when he was in active duty, he would be in prison for the rest of his life.)
In 2020, they both voted for Biden.

For the last 2 years, they both are saying that they don't want to vote for Trump but Biden destroyed the economy for middle class. It was clear they might give Biden another shot if he managed to recover the economy before the election.

Ever since the debate, they both are dead set on voting for Trump. All I hear is "Of course the economy would be bad, he is senile." or any "Of course xyz would be bad, he is senile."

As I said, I don't care who you vote for. I care for the votes of people that have not decided whether to vote for Trump or Biden. In the debate, Biden lost a lot of them. Biden lost that debate, clearly! Saying "they both are senile" or "Trump lied during the debate" is damage control by Dems. If Dems insist on going forward with Biden, Trump will be president. I am sure of that.

Now you can say my aunt and her family are stupid. You can say I am stupid for not changing their minds. You can say Trump is an insurrectionist and we are all stupid. You can even say all of the Americans are stupid, it is your first amendment right. You can down-vote me to hell if it makes you feel good. None of these will change the fact that my aunt and her family will vote for Trump unless Dems change the candidate or Biden manages to shit rainbows and use it to gift a million dollars to my aunt's family.

At this point being a Biden apologist is the same thing as voting for Trump. Trump will win.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

Democrats will go down blaming the other Democrats that kept warning them of other centrist voters calling them Russian shills.

No sense of self blame and simply calling everyone else idiots cause they didn't see their idea of a perfect future that no one else was included on.

Apparently a whole party of "being right" is not a good way to get others to join you.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

The choice is obvious to you. Not to the average American.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The choice to not vote has merit

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

I don't think that's true. Please consider voting third party and don't forget about the other down ballot races. 🙂 -just another dude stuck in the same political hellscape