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[–] [email protected] 31 points 6 months ago (3 children)

If that third track were an option the trolley problem would never have existed. If there really is a third track in the real-life situation, then the trolley problem is not a good analogy of that problem.

Sadly, in this election there is no third track and we are forced into choosing the lesser of two evils.

If you want a third track, push for ranked choice voting!

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 months ago (4 children)

the joke is that you are actively removing yourself from the situation by making a decision to do nothing. In essence, that track has no trolley on it, and no people on it, meaning nobody dies.... As long as you don't look over your shoulder.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago

meaning nobody dies… As long as you don’t look over your shoulder.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Standing at the lever, close your eyes real hard and wish there was a third choice as you hope someone else makes that choice for you

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

plug your ears, close your eyes, and yell "I CANT HEAR YOU" repeatedly over and over again.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The real joke is how the "no choice" position is such extreme nonsense that even something as dumbed down as a meme can't make any part of it seem logical.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

it's not explicitly nonsense, one of the decisions that you can make in the trolley problem is doing nothing, this is the equivalent of doing nothing in a comedic fashion.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

In the same way 'would you rather' is meant to force a decision between two unacceptable choices, the trolly problem is meant to highlight the morality of refusing to choose (and ensuring the worse decision).

The third rail is just redundant.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

This is the problem with the trolley problem.

If it were replaced with, say, being told to shoot one group or another by a sadistic guard, the possibility of refusing to choose would be more obvious in terms of what it means morally.

The trolley is an inanimate object. It isn't making choices.

Political parties are more like the sadistic guard. They are making choices.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

In the same way ‘would you rather’ is meant to force a decision between two unacceptable choices, the trolly problem is meant to highlight the morality of refusing to choose (and ensuring the worse decision).

in a really reductive sense, yes. The trolley problem is at it's heart, a question of whether being involved in an atrocity is better than being uninvolved in an atrocity.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

Very well, I shall push for it by

  • voting the same way regardless if the candidate supports it, and

  • suddenly participating in direct action, because we weren't already doing that.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

There literally is a third option that will be printed on most of not all ballots. Rank choice voting is huge but people should be willing to vote earnestly. Nobody wants to be the one to make the change and wants the world to change first but that's not how it works.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago (3 children)

In a FPTP voting system, you cannot vote earnestly. To do so all but guarantees the election of the opposition.

Explanation: https://youtu.be/s7tWHJfhiyo

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

that video explains well how strategic voting ends up with two parties.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 6 months ago

And we have an electoral college, so actually you can still vote earnestly in most states without major concern.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

No. In the current system you should not vote earnestly. In a fair system you should. Not in the one we have. The only moral choice is to select the lesser evil. Otherwise you might as well vote for the greater one.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 6 months ago

Only if your vote might change the results. Which isn't true for millions of Americans.