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[–] 46 points 2 years ago* (31 children)

What these people don't realize is you're never gonna get AGI by just feeding a machine an infinite amount of raw data.

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  • [–] 46 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    You’re right. We should move onto feeding it orphans

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  • [+] -13 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    You sound very confident of that. Have you tried it?

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  • [–] 25 points 2 years ago

    There might actually be nothing bad about the Torment Nexus, and the classic sci-fi novel “Don’t Create The Torment Nexus” was nonsense. We shouldn’t be making policy decisions based off of that.

    wild

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  • [–] 20 points 2 years ago

    Yes, we know (there are papers about it) that for LLMs every increase of capabilities we need exponentially more data to train it. But don't worry, we only consumed half the worlds data to train LLMs, still a lot of places to go ;).

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  • [+] -18 points 2 years ago (23 children)

    Interesting. I recall a phenomenon by which inorganic matter was given a series of criterion and it adapted based on changes from said environment, eventually forming data which it then learned from over a period of millions of years.

    It then used that information to build the world wide web in the lifetime of a single organism and cast doubt on others trying to emulate it.

    But I see your point.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (19 children)

    Which at no point involved raw data. Laymen hubris.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago*

    My dog does linear algebra everytime he pees on a fire hydrant so that he only pees for the exact amount of time needed. Similarly, when I drain my bath tub, it acts as a linear algebra machine that calculates how long it takes for the water to drain through a small hole.

    Is this a fun way to look at the world that allows us to more readily build computational devices from our environment? Definitely. Is it useful for determining what is intelligence? Not at all.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (15 children)

    Could you not make these kinds of stupid arguments just to score debate points?

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    Where the fuck was the insult? Wild

    You’re the one making incoherent illogical driveby comments, clown

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    A masterful performance, an opus of ineptitude! Brava!

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    aww, babby threw a tantrum and pressed the eject button when they found that no-one here would put up with their toxic bullshit

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    oh ffs. one goes voting in the european elections, as one does, and all the fun passes by, unread, deleted, non-existing.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago

    it's not entirely gone, my notification cache has 'em and I could share, but tldr the moment there was pushback they switched to ad hominem arguments and faux outrage and namecalling: I was even called a genetic regression! it was most entertaining

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago* (5 children)

    Yes, and that was a stupid argument unrelated to the point made that evolution used this raw data to do things, thus raw data in LLMs will lead to AGI. You just wanted debate points for 'see somewhere there is data in the process of things being alive'. Which is dumb gotcha logic which drags all of us down and makes it harder to have normal conversations about things. My reply was an attempt to make you see this and hope you would do better.

    I didn't call you stupid, I called the argument stupid, but if the shoe fits.

    E: the argument from the person before you 'evolution was created us with a lot of data and then we created the internet' is also silly of course, as if you just go 'well raw data created evolution' then no matter how we would get AGI (say it is build out of post quantum computers in 2376) this line of reasoning would say it comes from raw data, so the whole conversation devolves into saying nothing.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    No no see, since everything is information this argument totally holds up. That one would need to categorize and order it for it to be data is such a silly notion, utterly ridiculous and unnecessary! Just throw some information in the pool and stir, it’ll evolve soon enough!

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