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The redditor "Tienanmen Square massacre" narrative is flat earther levels of crank shit and needs to be recognized as such. (hexbear.net)

submitted 5 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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This shit has seriously gone on too long. People who continue to cling to the "10,000 dead crushed by tanks hosed i to the gutter" bs are cranks. It's jews control the banks, chemtrails, the earth is flat, the moon isn't real level of crank shit and unless you're feeling very indulgent and someone is asking in good faith it can be dismissed as equally serious to that kind of crank shit.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

To quote one of the protest leaders "What we actually are hoping for is bloodshed, the moment when the government is ready to brazenly butcher the people. Only when the Square is awash with blood will the people of China open their eyes" - Chai Ling

This only works when the people also think it was unjustified.

Every revolution in history has one of these instigating moments, including colour revolutions. Most recently Ukraine's moment in 2014 was the sussy sniper moment that has all kinds of evidence pointing towards far right shooters being involved and covered up. Even the February Revolution had a moment like this when the palace guard shot all the unarmed protestors.

The key point is that it's unarmed protestors that didn't deserve it. When it's a situation where people understandable grit their teeth and say "yeaaaaaah but the protestors hung cops and burned them alive" yikes-1 yikes-2 yikes-3 it doesn't work.

The people need to be enraged and believe the government NEEDS to be overthrown for it to work, if people think the protestors kinda brought it on themselves they don't enrage in the same way. The CIA and fascists pull these false flags off all the time, I can't think of a single incident in history where the left has.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

The USSR had ties with unions and communist parties and leftist terrorists. But I don’t think they ever planned any false flags to help those movements. Like the Italian militants supported by the USSR were doing bombings and killings in response to the mob and fascists who attacked first. I don’t think even westerners have claimed the USSR faked any terrorist threats to bolster their factions. “Whataboutism” is used by liberals to cry about leftists because all they had to do was put up a mirror. Not saying intelligence agencies never lie, but it seemed that spreading propaganda to a diverse country whose minorities suffer was sufficient

But there have been some claims of false flags. For example, a KGB defector claiming that the KGB planted a story about the Vatican knowing about the holocaust and not doing anything about it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

soypoint-1 whataboutism soypoint-2