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LIVE UPDATES: TRUMP GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS IN HUSH-MONEY CASE (www.nytimes.com)

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edit: I have changed my title to match the new NYTimes headline. Sorry about the all caps, I guess they are really excited about this lol

Also shoutout to @[email protected] who shared a gift article link in the comments. I hope you don't mind but I kinda stole it and updated the post

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 5 months ago (2 children)

First time in history a candidate running for president can’t legally vote for themselves?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

I bet some female ran prior to female suffrage.

kagis

Yeah.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Woodhull

Victoria Claflin Woodhull (born Victoria California Claflin; September 23, 1838 – June 9, 1927), later Victoria Woodhull Martin, was an American leader of the women's suffrage movement who ran for president of the United States in the 1872 election. While many historians and authors agree that Woodhull was the first woman to run for the presidency,[2] some disagree with classifying it as a true candidacy because she was younger than the constitutionally mandated age of 35. (Woodhull's 35th birthday was in September 1873, six months after the March inauguration.)

An activist for women's rights and labor reforms, Woodhull was also an advocate of "free love", by which she meant the freedom to marry, divorce and bear children without social restriction or government interference.[3] "They cannot roll back the rising tide of reform," she often said. "The world moves."[4]

Woodhull twice went from rags to riches, her first fortune being made on the road as a magnetic healer[5] before she joined the spiritualist movement in the 1870s.[6] Authorship of many of her articles is disputed (many of her speeches on these topics were collaborations between Woodhull, her backers, and her second husband, Colonel James Blood[7]). Together with her sister, Tennessee Claflin, she was the first woman to operate a brokerage firm on Wall Street,[8] making a second, and more reputable fortune.[9] They were among the first women to found a newspaper in the United States, Woodhull & Claflin's Weekly, which began publication in 1870.[10]

Woodhull was politically active in the early 1870s when she was nominated as the first woman candidate for the United States presidency.[8] Woodhull was the candidate in 1872 from the Equal Rights Party, supporting women's suffrage and equal rights; her running mate (unbeknownst to him) was abolitionist leader Frederick Douglass. Her campaign inspired at least one other woman – apart from her sister – to run for Congress.[8] A check on her activities occurred when she was arrested on obscenity charges a few days before the election. Her paper had published an account of the alleged adulterous affair between the prominent minister Henry Ward Beecher and Elizabeth Richards Tilton which had rather more detail than was considered proper at the time. However, it all added to the sensational coverage of her candidacy.[11]

Heh, and she was in trouble with the law in the runup to the election like Trump, too.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago (1 children)

some female

you mean a woman?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I suppose the only questions there are whether or not her state allowed women to vote for president, and whether or not a candidate who cannot legally hold the office counts (since she was under 35). Because it wasn't just blanket illegal for women to vote prior to the 19th Amendment, it was up to the individual states and like anything up to the individual states it was all over the place depending on which state we're talking about. For example, New Jersey allowed anyone who had the equivalent of 50 British pounds of wealth to vote regardless of sex (and there are recorded examples of women voting there) - at least until they embraced Jacksonian democracy and removed the wealth requirement and added a sex one. By the time the 19th Amendment passed, women could vote in at least some elections in most states.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I thought of that, but the first state to do so was well after her run.

https://www.history.com/news/the-state-where-women-voted-long-before-the-19th-amendment

When Wyoming sought statehood two decades after its historic vote, the territory’s citizens approved a constitution that maintained the right of women to vote. When Congress threatened to keep Wyoming out of the Union if it didn’t rescind the provision, the territory refused to budge. “We will remain out of the Union one hundred years rather than come in without the women,” the territorial legislature declared in a telegram to congressional leaders. Congress relented, and Wyoming became the first state to grant women the right to vote when it became the country’s 44th state in 1890.

The West continued to be the country’s most progressive region on full women’s suffrage. Colorado approved it in 1893, and Idaho did the same three years later. Congress had disenfranchised women along with outlawing polygamy in Utah in 1887, but women regained the right to vote when the territory became a state in 1896. After 1910, they were joined by Washington, California, Arizona, Kansas, Oregon, Montana, Nevada, Oklahoma, South Dakota and the territory of Alaska. (Even before the passage of the 19th Amendment, Montana elected a woman, Jeannette Rankin, to the U.S. House of Representatives in 1916.) According to the National Constitution Center, by 1919 there were 15 states in which women had full voting rights, and only two of them were east of the Mississippi River. The dozen states that restricted women from casting ballots in any election were primarily in the South and the East.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Wyoming wasn't the first state to allow women to vote for President. At the very least women could vote in New Jersey as early as 1790, presuming they had the equivalent of 50 British pounds of wealth (because the wealth requirement was the only requirement). Women later lost the right to vote in New Jersey when New Jersey embraced Jacksonian democracy and extended the right to vote to all white men of age, regardless of wealth.

But again, women's right to vote was a state issue prior to the 19th Amendment and as such it was kinda all over the place with some states allowing women to vote but only in some elections (often different rules for municipal, county, state and federal elections).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Sorry but what is "kagis"? I tried looking it up and found nothing.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

The search gone is called "Kagi", so the action of using it was "kagis"

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

"Searches using Kagi." Like "googles" for "searches using Google".

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What is this "looking it up" you speak of? We only do googles and kagis and duckduckgos and altavistas

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Funny enough, I tried DDG, then Google, then asked MS Copilot and then ChatGPT (both Bing). 😅

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Except she was acquitted.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago (3 children)

They passed a constitutional amendment in Florida to let felons vote, a couple years ago. The legislature tried to backpeddle it as much as they could in order to prevent black people from voting, but the main mechanism is forcing the felons to pay a bunch of money, which isn't a problem for Trump.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago

Florida also defers to the voting rights in the state where the judgment happened for convictions outside of Florida. And New York lets felons vote. Therefore, Trump can vote in Florida under Florida election law.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

The legislature tried to backpeddle it as much as they could in order to prevent black people from voting, but the main mechanism is forcing the felons to pay a bunch of money, which isn't a problem for Trump.

To be exact, the "backpedaling" was that if the courts assigned you fines and prison time you had to complete both before you had "completed your sentence" and thus could vote.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

There may be a component that felons have to have finished their sentence which could exclude Trump.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

As long as he's not incarcerated he can vote in NY

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

He's a Florida resident though.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

And Florida defers to the state where the conviction occurred. So Florida says he can vote in Florida if he can vote in NY.