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I fucking hate that the only other option is a fascist tyrant with designs on overthrowing our government.
Literally has a guidebook written and published as part of his campaign. And people still vote for him.
What is this?
I believe they are referring to Project 2025: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025
This is disgusting
I wonder if either party has a level of depravity they'll put up with before choosing to not vote for their candidate
My feeling is maybe not
Have you looked at Project 2025? It is absolutely a blueprint for total fascism. Destroy the FBI, DOJ, DHS, FCC, and FTC. Then replace tens of thousands of federal employees with party loyalists, and practice executive unilateral theory...essentially the idea that the president is all powerful and can act unilaterally.
If that's not scary enough (because that is essentially the first few years of Nazi Germany in a nutshell)...let's also cut the department of education so we can keep everyone stupid. Further bans on abortion and restrictions on contraception. Criminalize porn. Get rid of any federal DEI programs and eliminate discrimination and harassment protections for LGBT.
Then shrink the EPA and destroy NOAA. Roll back any climate change legislation and go full-steam on fossil fuels.
Reduce the number of generals (no doubt to keep loyalists and cronies).
It is literally impossible to read any one page of Project 2025 and see it as anything other than a blueprint for fascism and the destruction of America, essentially handing it over to corporations and party loyalists. And it is 920 pages long. And the book is only one part of Project 2025.
Oh, and most of this was just paraphrased from 3 paragraphs of the Wikipedia article. This is the tip of the iceberg.
This is cartoon level villainy. They are actually spelling out their plans directly in plain view for everyone, and his own supporters are completely ignoring it, because they are spoon-fed their "news" that conveniently doesn't include this.
Maybe Biden should be less DOGSHIT, then I wouldn't have to worry about him losing to that other, bigger piece of shit
You're worried about Biden losing?
Are 'lib' and 'fucking lib' different categories? Otherwise those statements are kinda mutually exclusive.
Maybe you're too emotional about this to make sense.
Lmao if you saw my inbox right now you might bet a better sense of what 'too emotional' looks like
Were you like this before or are the emotional replies rubbing off on you?
i want this, too. democrats railed against dhs as fascist when bush implemented it. fbi and doj enforce unjust laws. fuck all that. get rid of them all.
I disagree with DHS too, but at this point INS and a whole bunch of other stuff kinda either merged in or cohabitated it to the point that I'm not really sure what DHS role is.
Regardless this is 4d chess. Everybody knows Trump doesn't like most the 3-letter agencies for reasons other than far-right idealism. He has been preaching to his base that they are politicized and engaged in a witch hunt against him, and they soaked it in like R. Kelly's sheets.
So, what happens? Biden can't call out this part of P2025 individually because it'll fuel the flames of Trump's base and backfire against him.
Trump has a very obedient, angry mob behind him. Nearly every part of P2025 is something that if Biden were to call it out individually, it'd pour gas on Trump's dumpster fire of a campaign.
The reason is because Trump and the Republican party has no problem, essentially, punching below the belt. Dems have enough tact and honor left to still not be bending the rules or start punching down now. Good on them, but it is kind of a shame, because it's a losing strategy. It's like a nerd wearing a protective cup because he knows the bully is going to kick him in the nuts again, and that's the best strategy they can come up with.
p2025 is a boogeyman, anyway. they've been writing position papers like this for decades now. just how much of their 2016 agenda was trump able to enact? practically nothing. and it will be the same with this.
Very much disagree with this.
As I'd said, the Republican strategy is and always has been to suppress Democratic voters as much as possible.
The right already controls one branch of federal government (judicial).
The executive, everyone knows is up for this year, and that's the main focus.
For the legislative, every seat in the House is up for vote, along with one third of Congress.
Making Dems apathetic is the goal. Doing that, they can clean sweep all three branches.
And, if they don't, it's already well known that Trump admires fascist dictators. Nobody should be surprised if he goes a little bit outside his lane when he's got even just the courts in his side. Look at the games his judges are playing now.
can i bet you a dogecoin he doesn't get even 10% of it accomplished? the policies are in black in white so they can be enumerated. come 2029, we could easily calculate the effectiveness of p2025.
A fascist tyrant who will publicly support the genocide. It doesn't matter who will be president, genocide support will happen regardless. It's just a question of whether a fascist will take office or not.
Not probably, he's already said that nukes should be used.
Jill Stein
If we had ranked choice voting across the board I might actually vote for her or another. But seeing as we only have two practical options, that's not realistic to vote for her if we expect it to fend off the worse of two voting options. In other words, voting for her doesn't help avoid Trump. It in fact draws votes away from the Biden option since she's a green option which wouldn't realistically draw any votes from the right.
Stop bending over for the duopoly. Do something about it like I am.
And what pray tell is that?
Supporting, donating, and spreading the message to friends and family about the Green party. It is the largest decent party in the US so a good base to build from. What everyone else on this site does is complain about voting for Joe Biden instead of doing anything.
Do you realistically see any possibility of the green party gaining enough traction by November to actually be a competitive option and defeat both alternative parties? Do you think it can go from 0.26% of the popular vote and 0% of the electoral college vote to obtaining a majority of 51%?
I applaud the commitment to a an ideal. But the ideal won't stop a fascist regime in the form of Trump from setting in. We who complain about voting for Biden can see that Biden isn't a good option. But he is the best chance of not getting Trump. So he begrudgingly gets a vote. I would love to live in a country that can have viable 3rd party options. But currently we aren't there. And there is too much that will have to change to make it possible to realistically be a voting option. Every journey starts with a single step and all but until we get things passed like ranked choice voting, the green party will never see a national victory.
This election is unique with weak duopoly candidates and RFK polling up to 10% in some polls. So there is a chance for the Green party, a very slim one to win but realistically could achieve 5% to gain increased federal funding for future elections.
In my view Biden's administration is just as fascist as Trump in their work to prevent a third party option. So that's why I try to build a new party, but can understand if you see his administration differently.
I can't see them as equivalent outside of that singular position though. Both suck at not creating room for a 3rd party 100%. But Trump is following a plan and colluding with others in the GOP and DOJ to topple all democracy and install a dictatorship. If that comes to fruition there won't even be two parties. It will be one party. Well, one party and a group of people oppressed by the party.
Same old story every 4 years. Trump will likely win in November, and I'll be on here gathering support for the Greens or PSLs regardless. In 2028 you will use the same argument without ever supporting another decent party.
I mean they literally have a publicly available plan... So as long as that's the plan then yes, I will vote for the party with the best chance of defeating them. If that were green, I'd vote green, if that were libertarian I'd begrudgingly vote libertarian. Currently it's democrats though.
We have to push incumbents towards legislation that benefits 3rd party options to see any real headway in the 3rd party category. Until that's in place 3rd party can never succeed on a national level. Again, looking at statistics, it's just not possible until law favors multiple party conditions.
To scare the weak willed into submitting to the duopoly.
Then make a better party more popular instead of complaining.
Why would they? They're already in office.
I can see this really won't go anywhere. My bad. Good luck with upping that 0.26% enough to be competitive.
Thanks, we will fight for you whether you like it or not.