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Is the thinking that Trump will somehow be better? Like holy shit how short sighted are these people? Do they not remember anything from when he was president?
Is the thinking behind this comment that Trump being worse excuses Biden of his failures? He is losing young people by funding a genocide. Not all people are pragmatic, unfortunately.
So either we complain about people not being pragmatic and voting for someone they have a legitimate issue with, OOOORRRR we could be mad at the president of the United States breaking the law and alienating would be voters by giving weapons to a state that has been committing war crimes for over 7 months.
Of course we can do both but let's not pretend the major problem is "voters with morals" rather than "president aiding a genocide"
It's pretty fucking basic.
Are we all pretending Trump would somehow be better for the situation overseas?
But hey let's just not vote for democracy and hope it all just works itself out.
Can you show me where I did that? You can even look through my comment history if you like. Didn't happen here. Never happened anywhere.
Hey let's just give weapons to someone we know is going to use it to commit war crimes in violation of our own laws and basic morals and hope the election just kind of works itself out.
I agree democracy is important to protect and Biden needs to win in order to do that. That's exactly the issue...
...You know, if you're solely thinking about American politics and not whether or not it's bad to destroy every single hospital in a region and slowly starve children to death.
Yes, they are pretending Trump will be better for Palestine.
And all of them will go quiet when Trump enables total annihilation of the Palestinian people. Maybe some of them will find a way to blame Biden, but I think the majority of accounts will be abandoned the day after the election.
If you honestly think saying "Biden is not good on Palestine" is saying "Trump is better than Biden on Palestine" I think you have a way bigger problem than the outcome of the election
If you feel that a comment said to somebody else doesn't apply to you, it probably wasn't directed at you.
That being said, the people who are poisoning the well against Biden, the ones who have made Palestine the only issue affecting this election, the ones screaming "genocide Joe," their actions are going to lead to more dead Palestinians than anything Biden has done.
My comment, then someone says "are we pretending trump will be better?" In response, then this person says "yes." If they're not talking to me and are just talking generally about other people that do this in reply to my comment, pretty weird, but my point still stands.
Uh huh. Who has been arming Israel again?
If the choice you get to make is 30,000 dead civilians or a person who outright said Israel needs to "finish the job," and you are campaigning against the lesser amount of deaths, you bear moral responsibility when total annihilation happens.
So Biden sends the bombs.
These people say "Stop sending bombs"
And they are the ones you think will bear the responsibility if Trump wins and makes it worse? Not trump. Not Biden for not listening to his voters OR HIS CONSCIENCE. Not Netanyahu and co using the bombs. The people saying "stop doing that." Jesus fucking christ
You guys are the ones who made this election solely about Palestine, rightly or wrongly (I personally think probably rightly) and now we have to vote on that.
Do we limit the amount of deaths and use diplomacy to save lives, or do we choose the person Netanyahu wants, the one who seeks to help him complete his goals of eradication.
All people who are helping to ensure Trump wins over Biden is helping kill Palestinian children.
I'm sorry, but the world has given us nothing but bad choices and we have to choose the least bad option. Failure to do so is moral cowardice.
In the voting booth, yes.
Failure to criticise someone doing something which is obviously wrong is moral cowardice. You acknowledge it's a bad choice and clearly don't want Biden to be doing this, but yet can't just criticise him based solely on his actions without reverting to the zero sum game of the election.
I doubt anything will change but God damn this has to be a good reason to criticise a president, surely? Do you not realize how this is making America look to the rest of the world? To be the one standing beside the bully and insisting he's not so bad while the rest of the world (and much of America) looks on in horror.
I definitely don't think it should be solely about this. I would still vote for him if I was American. But unfortunately what is happening is very serious and if you actually care I can see why it's not something you can easily put aside.
Because I think the US president shouldn't be aiding a genocide? I didn't realise this was such a big ask. Upset that I can't "have it all" as if this is me wanting to not have to pay taxes or something.
I agree he's helped with aid. Also helped create the need for the aid though so it undermines it somewhat.
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How about: "Israel, open the fucking crossings, remove the protesters and stop arbitrarily delaying aid into Gaza otherwise there will be no more arms and we will delay aid to you until the problem is fixed."
"We will stop providing cover for you at the UN if you don't fix this problem immediately."
Many similar things. He has leverage he is not using over the people who are primarily responsible for this issue.
I don't expect Biden to do it all but he's been trying to convince them to not be monsters for 7 months now and it isn't going so well. He needs to step it up.
They remember, and they want it back. They're fascists who are too cowardly to claim the label - which is impressive, as fascists are generally pretty cowardly to begin with.
This line of thinking implies there are only two possible positions: "Uncritical support for Biden" and "I'm going to criticize genocide and I also want to let fascists rule, for some reason". Have you thought that perhaps you're missing a lot of nuance about what people think?
It's a binary choice dude. One or the other will win.
I give somewhat of a pass to comments that say "Biden is the only sane choice, but he's wrong for this". Comments that just shit on Biden are obvious attempts to suppress the Democratic vote.
Right, it couldn't be that normal humans beings are fucking horrified at their own country enabling a genocide, and demanding every single criticism of the Democratic Party to be accompanied by "I will vote for them though" is reasonable.
Don't worry. Even if you tell them you're voting for Biden, they'll ignore it every time you say it.