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"The fact is that liberal Western democracies provide the most stable environment to build socialism" (hexbear.net)

submitted 4 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Which is why we must support NATO and a Democrat-led United States. Russia is fascist, China is fascist, Republicans are fascist

My friend is some type of anarcho-bidenist and he keeps posting cringe ooooooooooooooh

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Kinda? But not for the reasons he thinks?

Engels realized here in a particularly striking form the fundamental idea which runs through all of Marx's works, namely, that the democratic republic is the nearest approach to the dictatorship of the proletariat. For such a republic, without in the least abolishing the rule of capital, and, therefore, the oppression of the masses and the class struggle, inevitably leads to such an extension, development, unfolding, and intensification of this struggle that, as soon as it becomes possible to meet the fundamental interests of the oppressed masses, this possibility is realized inevitably and solely through the dictatorship of the proletariat, through the leadership of those masses by the proletariat.

State and Revolution chapter 4, section 2. Having a government where you are nominally, but not actually, in control is a more ripe revolutionary environment than one where there is no illusion of freedom and Kings just get to do King shit.

Please tell me I didn't completely misinterpret and butcher this passage.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Has there been a successful socialist revolution in a democratic republic? So far we've had:

Russia, overthrew monarchy in the midst of world war 1
Vietnam, formed amidst anti-colonial struggle against France and US
Cuba, overthrew gangster dictator state
Burkina Faso, overthrew government that was previously installed by military coup
DPRK, formed amidst anti-colonial struggle against Japan then US

China is a bit arguable because the republican Xinhai revolution was in 1911 but the civil war between the republican government and the communists didn't really kick off until 1927, but that doesn't seem like a long enough time in republican democracy to really affect things. At that point you might as well include Russia which operated as a sort of republican democracy for 7 months in 1917.

Any other examples?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Latin America broadly proves that liberal democratic systems can approach socialism, as long as the need to resist imperialism exists. If it can go all the way is yet to be demonstrated.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

In Russia the monarchs were already out of power right? I think the provisional government was more similar to other parliamentary systems or whatever. Bourgeoisie dictatorship.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

For like seven months in the midst of a war economy yeah. Most people don't even know about the February revolution.