▲ 526 ▼ Helldivers 2 now delisted in 177 countries (steamdb.info) submitted 2 years ago by inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world to c/games@lemmy.world 84 comments fedilink hide all child comments Looks like Arrowhead might be moving forward with PSN despite "internal discussions".
[–] lobut@lemmy.ca 155 points 2 years ago (2 children) The accounts are so important that you're willing to lose sales in that many countries?! permalink fedilink source hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] yukichigai@kbin.social 108 points 2 years ago (5 children) While 177 countries sounds like a lot, it's not where the majority of players are. PSN operates in the top 15 countries by GDP and the top 4 by population. Of course there's still the question of why they work in so few countries when literally none of their competitors (that I know of) have those limitations. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 47 points 2 years ago (3 children) It's because it's a Japanese company. I'm not saying this out of racism but because they're known for being archaic in how they do certain things. Like game modding and work schedules. Their public transit is top fucking notch though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Renegade_roosteR@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) .. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Carighan@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago I think the mistake was ever thinking that one company is "good" while the other is "bad". Companies are just different flavors of bad once they grow above a size of, well, once they are companies. permalink fedilink source parent [–] DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago Only because we didn't know better when we were kids. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* Their public transit is top fucking notch though. I've been to Japan a few times. Only Tokyo is super accurate with time. Go to any other Japanese city and it's no different from any other city in the world. Late trains. Buses that are 10 mins late or not even showing. Can we kill this narrative that Japan is hyper efficient with public transportation? permalink fedilink source parent [+] Soundhole@lemm.ee -6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) That wasn't in response to my racist comment but in response to the archaic comment. They're as much archaic in procedure and bureaucracy as they are advanced in tech. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] nutsack@lemmy.world -9 points 2 years ago I heard Hitler invented the Volkswagen boat permalink fedilink source parent [–] 100@fedia.io 36 points 2 years ago (1 child) some huge countries on that list, philippines, pakistan, nigeria, egypt pretty embarassing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia too. Not exactly developing countries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] maynarkh@feddit.nl 9 points 2 years ago They are also EU countries. I am not even sure it's perfectly legal to sell stuff in the EU and not sell to residents of specific countries. No harm no foul until somebody makes a report I guess. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago (1 child) This is accurate. I work at a international company. We will tell a bunch of countries to go fuck themselves since combined, they make like 1% of sales. I'm not saying it's right or wrong. I'm just saying it's a thing many companies do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago I have knowledge on mobile gaming, they do this too. It doesn’t pay to manage some shitty off brand Android phone’s compatibility issues when your whole country spends less in a month than a half dozen midwestern moms in an evening on the game. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don't doubt what you're saying, but you have to admit that this is terrible PR for them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago If the past thirty years of Sony history has anything to say... I'm sure they're doing this right now: permalink fedilink source parent [–] vodka@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago (2 children) PSN (PlayStation Network) is available in 73 countries. It was PSNow (PlayStation Now, their game steaming service) that was only in 19 countries. PSNow was merged into PlayStation Plus as the Premium level package, and is in 30 or so countries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ripcord@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Strange then that they are now only listed in 18 countries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vodka@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) That is definitely strange, but might be an overreaction by Valve and not done by Arrowhead. Edit: Seems it was indeed done by Valve. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ripcord@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Strange then that they are now only listed in 18 countries. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Chozo@fedia.io -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) To be fair, the game wasn't supposed to be sold in those countries to begin with. Sony and Valve screwed up the region settings. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Stovetop@lemmy.world 50 points 2 years ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Chozo@fedia.io 30 points 2 years ago (2 children) Honestly, I think Sony is going to be more stubborn than Valve. I saw in another thread where some people were getting approved for their Steam refunds even after passing the 2-hour refund window, so it looks like Valve may already be the first to cave. Sony's probably going to continue digging their heels in, though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Daveyborn@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago Can confirm, saw one approved refund with 97 hours on the clock. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NekkoDroid@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago* Sometimes (almost always) I wish that the refunded money wouldn't come out of Steams/Valves pocket... permalink fedilink source parent [–] MufinMcFlufin@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago From what I've heard Valve is already refunding most everyone who asks for a refund given this controversy. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yukichigai@kbin.social 108 points 2 years ago (5 children) While 177 countries sounds like a lot, it's not where the majority of players are. PSN operates in the top 15 countries by GDP and the top 4 by population. Of course there's still the question of why they work in so few countries when literally none of their competitors (that I know of) have those limitations. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 47 points 2 years ago (3 children) It's because it's a Japanese company. I'm not saying this out of racism but because they're known for being archaic in how they do certain things. Like game modding and work schedules. Their public transit is top fucking notch though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Renegade_roosteR@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) .. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Carighan@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago I think the mistake was ever thinking that one company is "good" while the other is "bad". Companies are just different flavors of bad once they grow above a size of, well, once they are companies. permalink fedilink source parent [–] DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago Only because we didn't know better when we were kids. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* Their public transit is top fucking notch though. I've been to Japan a few times. Only Tokyo is super accurate with time. Go to any other Japanese city and it's no different from any other city in the world. Late trains. Buses that are 10 mins late or not even showing. Can we kill this narrative that Japan is hyper efficient with public transportation? permalink fedilink source parent [+] Soundhole@lemm.ee -6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) That wasn't in response to my racist comment but in response to the archaic comment. They're as much archaic in procedure and bureaucracy as they are advanced in tech. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] nutsack@lemmy.world -9 points 2 years ago I heard Hitler invented the Volkswagen boat permalink fedilink source parent [–] 100@fedia.io 36 points 2 years ago (1 child) some huge countries on that list, philippines, pakistan, nigeria, egypt pretty embarassing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia too. Not exactly developing countries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] maynarkh@feddit.nl 9 points 2 years ago They are also EU countries. I am not even sure it's perfectly legal to sell stuff in the EU and not sell to residents of specific countries. No harm no foul until somebody makes a report I guess. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago (1 child) This is accurate. I work at a international company. We will tell a bunch of countries to go fuck themselves since combined, they make like 1% of sales. I'm not saying it's right or wrong. I'm just saying it's a thing many companies do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago I have knowledge on mobile gaming, they do this too. It doesn’t pay to manage some shitty off brand Android phone’s compatibility issues when your whole country spends less in a month than a half dozen midwestern moms in an evening on the game. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don't doubt what you're saying, but you have to admit that this is terrible PR for them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago If the past thirty years of Sony history has anything to say... I'm sure they're doing this right now: permalink fedilink source parent [–] vodka@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago (2 children) PSN (PlayStation Network) is available in 73 countries. It was PSNow (PlayStation Now, their game steaming service) that was only in 19 countries. PSNow was merged into PlayStation Plus as the Premium level package, and is in 30 or so countries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ripcord@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Strange then that they are now only listed in 18 countries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vodka@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) That is definitely strange, but might be an overreaction by Valve and not done by Arrowhead. Edit: Seems it was indeed done by Valve. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ripcord@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Strange then that they are now only listed in 18 countries. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 47 points 2 years ago (3 children) It's because it's a Japanese company. I'm not saying this out of racism but because they're known for being archaic in how they do certain things. Like game modding and work schedules. Their public transit is top fucking notch though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Renegade_roosteR@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) .. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Carighan@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago I think the mistake was ever thinking that one company is "good" while the other is "bad". Companies are just different flavors of bad once they grow above a size of, well, once they are companies. permalink fedilink source parent [–] DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago Only because we didn't know better when we were kids. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* Their public transit is top fucking notch though. I've been to Japan a few times. Only Tokyo is super accurate with time. Go to any other Japanese city and it's no different from any other city in the world. Late trains. Buses that are 10 mins late or not even showing. Can we kill this narrative that Japan is hyper efficient with public transportation? permalink fedilink source parent [+] Soundhole@lemm.ee -6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) That wasn't in response to my racist comment but in response to the archaic comment. They're as much archaic in procedure and bureaucracy as they are advanced in tech. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] nutsack@lemmy.world -9 points 2 years ago I heard Hitler invented the Volkswagen boat permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Renegade_roosteR@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) .. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Carighan@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago I think the mistake was ever thinking that one company is "good" while the other is "bad". Companies are just different flavors of bad once they grow above a size of, well, once they are companies. permalink fedilink source parent [–] DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago Only because we didn't know better when we were kids. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Carighan@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago I think the mistake was ever thinking that one company is "good" while the other is "bad". Companies are just different flavors of bad once they grow above a size of, well, once they are companies. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago Only because we didn't know better when we were kids. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* Their public transit is top fucking notch though. I've been to Japan a few times. Only Tokyo is super accurate with time. Go to any other Japanese city and it's no different from any other city in the world. Late trains. Buses that are 10 mins late or not even showing. Can we kill this narrative that Japan is hyper efficient with public transportation? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Soundhole@lemm.ee -6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) That wasn't in response to my racist comment but in response to the archaic comment. They're as much archaic in procedure and bureaucracy as they are advanced in tech. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] nutsack@lemmy.world -9 points 2 years ago I heard Hitler invented the Volkswagen boat permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) That wasn't in response to my racist comment but in response to the archaic comment. They're as much archaic in procedure and bureaucracy as they are advanced in tech. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] nutsack@lemmy.world -9 points 2 years ago I heard Hitler invented the Volkswagen boat permalink fedilink source parent
[+] nutsack@lemmy.world -9 points 2 years ago I heard Hitler invented the Volkswagen boat permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 100@fedia.io 36 points 2 years ago (1 child) some huge countries on that list, philippines, pakistan, nigeria, egypt pretty embarassing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia too. Not exactly developing countries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] maynarkh@feddit.nl 9 points 2 years ago They are also EU countries. I am not even sure it's perfectly legal to sell stuff in the EU and not sell to residents of specific countries. No harm no foul until somebody makes a report I guess. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia too. Not exactly developing countries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] maynarkh@feddit.nl 9 points 2 years ago They are also EU countries. I am not even sure it's perfectly legal to sell stuff in the EU and not sell to residents of specific countries. No harm no foul until somebody makes a report I guess. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] maynarkh@feddit.nl 9 points 2 years ago They are also EU countries. I am not even sure it's perfectly legal to sell stuff in the EU and not sell to residents of specific countries. No harm no foul until somebody makes a report I guess. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago (1 child) This is accurate. I work at a international company. We will tell a bunch of countries to go fuck themselves since combined, they make like 1% of sales. I'm not saying it's right or wrong. I'm just saying it's a thing many companies do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago I have knowledge on mobile gaming, they do this too. It doesn’t pay to manage some shitty off brand Android phone’s compatibility issues when your whole country spends less in a month than a half dozen midwestern moms in an evening on the game. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago I have knowledge on mobile gaming, they do this too. It doesn’t pay to manage some shitty off brand Android phone’s compatibility issues when your whole country spends less in a month than a half dozen midwestern moms in an evening on the game. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don't doubt what you're saying, but you have to admit that this is terrible PR for them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago If the past thirty years of Sony history has anything to say... I'm sure they're doing this right now: permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago If the past thirty years of Sony history has anything to say... I'm sure they're doing this right now: permalink fedilink source parent
[–] vodka@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago (2 children) PSN (PlayStation Network) is available in 73 countries. It was PSNow (PlayStation Now, their game steaming service) that was only in 19 countries. PSNow was merged into PlayStation Plus as the Premium level package, and is in 30 or so countries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ripcord@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Strange then that they are now only listed in 18 countries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vodka@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) That is definitely strange, but might be an overreaction by Valve and not done by Arrowhead. Edit: Seems it was indeed done by Valve. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ripcord@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Strange then that they are now only listed in 18 countries. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Strange then that they are now only listed in 18 countries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vodka@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) That is definitely strange, but might be an overreaction by Valve and not done by Arrowhead. Edit: Seems it was indeed done by Valve. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] vodka@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) That is definitely strange, but might be an overreaction by Valve and not done by Arrowhead. Edit: Seems it was indeed done by Valve. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Strange then that they are now only listed in 18 countries. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Chozo@fedia.io -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) To be fair, the game wasn't supposed to be sold in those countries to begin with. Sony and Valve screwed up the region settings. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Stovetop@lemmy.world 50 points 2 years ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Chozo@fedia.io 30 points 2 years ago (2 children) Honestly, I think Sony is going to be more stubborn than Valve. I saw in another thread where some people were getting approved for their Steam refunds even after passing the 2-hour refund window, so it looks like Valve may already be the first to cave. Sony's probably going to continue digging their heels in, though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Daveyborn@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago Can confirm, saw one approved refund with 97 hours on the clock. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NekkoDroid@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago* Sometimes (almost always) I wish that the refunded money wouldn't come out of Steams/Valves pocket... permalink fedilink source parent [–] MufinMcFlufin@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago From what I've heard Valve is already refunding most everyone who asks for a refund given this controversy. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Stovetop@lemmy.world 50 points 2 years ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Chozo@fedia.io 30 points 2 years ago (2 children) Honestly, I think Sony is going to be more stubborn than Valve. I saw in another thread where some people were getting approved for their Steam refunds even after passing the 2-hour refund window, so it looks like Valve may already be the first to cave. Sony's probably going to continue digging their heels in, though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Daveyborn@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago Can confirm, saw one approved refund with 97 hours on the clock. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NekkoDroid@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago* Sometimes (almost always) I wish that the refunded money wouldn't come out of Steams/Valves pocket... permalink fedilink source parent [–] MufinMcFlufin@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago From what I've heard Valve is already refunding most everyone who asks for a refund given this controversy. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Chozo@fedia.io 30 points 2 years ago (2 children) Honestly, I think Sony is going to be more stubborn than Valve. I saw in another thread where some people were getting approved for their Steam refunds even after passing the 2-hour refund window, so it looks like Valve may already be the first to cave. Sony's probably going to continue digging their heels in, though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Daveyborn@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago Can confirm, saw one approved refund with 97 hours on the clock. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NekkoDroid@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago* Sometimes (almost always) I wish that the refunded money wouldn't come out of Steams/Valves pocket... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Daveyborn@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago Can confirm, saw one approved refund with 97 hours on the clock. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NekkoDroid@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago* Sometimes (almost always) I wish that the refunded money wouldn't come out of Steams/Valves pocket... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MufinMcFlufin@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago From what I've heard Valve is already refunding most everyone who asks for a refund given this controversy. permalink fedilink source parent