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Trans people do not ask to be physically perfect. We understand the limitations of what is possible and weigh the consequences carefully. So much of the discourse treats our medical care as a problem...but a problem to whom? It isn't your body, it isn't your risk and we the people making these decisions are doing so in a way that the medical community agrees demonstrates a rational approach to a real problem. It's not a conventional rationale from a cis perspective because cisness is a different experience. Trying to explain being trans to a cis person is like trying to explain color theory to the blind - They can understand it and see the rationality of it explained carefully enough but it is an experience so fundamentally different from their lived reality that it at the end of the day comes down to humility. Can you accept that people exist who experience life completely differently than you and have solid perceptions and understandings about themselves and are still rational human beings? Or do you place yourself and your "ick" factor as all important. You may be the center of your universe but everyone is. You do not have to experience our lives but we do, so step aside and let us live.
At the end of the day most of us do not require your buy in. Unless you are someone important to us like a parent or a sibling, a trusted friend or a lover what you believe about us in your heart of hearts is your business and doesn't hurt us unless you decide to be outwardly cruel. But if you decide that for whatever reason you understand us better than we understand ourselves and decide to make our choices for us... you BECOME our problem.
maybe some trans people are not the best representatives of trans people because some want the craziest shit possible and it seems to me they are distorting everything. ;But if you decide that for whatever reason you understand us better than we understand ourselves and decide to make our choices for us... you BECOME our problem,- this seems unfalsifiable you are essentially saying its my feeling so you just have to follow what i say and you cant criticize me because its my feelings when feeling are the most unreliable sense there is. this precludes any rationale or evidence against your feelings because everything is based on your feelings not reality. the medical community seems exceptionally compromised in this aria because a lot it is based on feelings and you don't want to be a bigot do you. to the point that people doing studies that some trans activists don't like get protested so no real research gets done that might go against your feelings this all seems very dangerous to me and a recipe for disaster. i accept that people can have different experiences that is life but i also accept reality like your example of explaining color to the blind when they are blind from birth of course. even if they cant see color it still exists even if they feel it does not it does not matter what a blind person does they will never be able to change this reality no matter what they do. reality does not depend on feelings or your lived experiences. if you want to be believable you need something outside your feelings. and that is the biggest difficulty because its all very subjective outside drugs and surgeries themselves its why you should get them.
What is the "craziest shit possible" and which groups are supporting it? "Someone on Twitter said something and got two likes" isn't very interesting here.
What evidence do you have that the medical field is compromised? What evidence would convince you otherwise?
Depression is about feelings, too. Should we tell people with depression to fuck off it's fake no assistance for you?
ah yes i need proof and you can just say some shit. you are doing the exact same shit im doing no difference at all. i will just keep doing what i was doing just like you. i will just ignore your debate tactics. yes Depression is about feelings and they will not be able to get appearance altering surgeries in that state. the depression thing is not helping your argument.
Actually, depressed people aren't barred from getting a rhinoplasty, or a boob job, or lip filler, so I'm not sure what the point you're making is. You haven't provided any evidence. I also haven't, yet. If I did, would you care, or would you blow it off? Things you've said to me so far suggest that any research I provide will be called woke and captured and lies, so I haven't bothered. If there's a point, I'm happy to. You've just explicitly said things that make me doubt there is.