Khabib

Thanks for the explanation and article, it explains a lot. I understand more high quality goods in China are coming out, this in undeniable. I do want to ask, is it still the case today that China makes both very high and low quality goods? Or is the quality floor moving upwards?

This is an internet message board, apologies if my choice of vocabulary doesn't meet the standard of a research paper, but you seem to have glanced over half a sentence of every point I wrote and then attribute the worst version of that topic possible onto me.

1. If you deny the matter of fact that Chinese goods have received an overall negative international reputation for being disproportionately low quality until at the least the last 20 years, then you would just be wrong. The posts below have done a good job responding to why this is a necessary transitioning step towards industrialization, and statistics do indeed show an improvement of this trend which is great.

2. ??? https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/12/05/key-facts-about-chinas-declining-population/ https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/CHN/china/population https://www.worlddata.info/asia/china/populationgrowth.php Are you denying that birth rate is an upcoming issue for China to face? Again the question of discussion here is whether this is a significant enough issue to harshly impact China's economy and growth, or whether other factors such as China's transition to a more skilled and educated workforce will be enough to offset this, not if this issue exists or not, which it most certainly does.

3. According to links below, the Chinese national bureau of statistics. The age range they picked to measure from was the problem, not the number itself which is true.

4. At this point I'm not sure what you're trying to say, or if you are just trying to be as condescending as possible. If it wasn't explicit enough, I am in favor of the bans over paid tutoring of core subjects because it gives an unfair advantage to richer families... As for illegal tutoring services, I don't think the Chinese government will do nothing about them, that's why I'm asking in one of the only pro-China english forums if anyone knows what specifically they are doing...

5. Again I didn't formally state this point in the style of a thesis because I didn't think anyone would deny the matter of fact that China, or at least sinospheric countries, have historically suffered uniquely significant amounts of nepotism. Xi's anti-corruption campaigns were a welcome start to addressing the issue. However anecdotes can prove at least the continued existence of corruption in China, my question was to try to quantify the extent of which it still existed at, if there are any ongoing current actions tackling it, and how the situation compares to western countries (which admittedly have been getting worse in this regard over the years).

6. No?? Racism would be saying "Han people are inherently ugly because they have squinty eyes." That's not at all similar to what I said. What I did was I identified a behavioral pattern amongst a group of people from a shared cultural group, based on my own experiences, friends experiences, that match existing stereotypes about said group; which while not being sufficient to dictate an absolute conclusion, should at least justify having the desire to inquire about such behavior no? Especially since I am asking a community where said ethnic group has a positive reception, which should imply I am trying to learn instead of reinforcing prejudices in an echo chamber, I seriously don't see how my question can be perceived as anything more than somewhat insensitive in delivery.

I won't respond to the end of your post which is just a splattering of non sequiturs.

I guess I'll need to do more research on the manufacturing and nepotism issues, thanks for giving me a starting point with the links you have provided.

About the manufactured cost of education. I completely understand the argument if we're talking about extracurricular topics. However if we are talking about core curricular topics, if private tutoring is a thing, even if only existing in the realm of illegal services, what is stopping teachers from moving part of the curriculum behind a paid wall? And then with the competitive nature of Chinese culture and the Gaokao system, wouldn't that inevitably spiral into it being necessary to enroll your kids in these financially predatory programs just to keep up and have a chance of getting into a good university?

Fair enough, with 1.4 billion people I guess you could find any subgroup with any number of negative characteristics that you want to see.

I guess besides keeping an open mind, it will be necessary for me to visit China myself in the future to gain a satisfying answer to some of these subjective questions. As there's really only so much I can do to sift through the overwhelming amount of biased information about China here in the west, even if I'm trying to maintain an objective research process.

About points 1 and 5, are there any of the aforementioned statistics that could paint a quantitative response regarding the issue? I understand China is working to address these issues, I am interested in how effective these measures are and how much it has improved.

I understand the unemployment issue better now from some other comments and gave my responses there.

About point 2 and 4, correct me if I'm misinterpreting your response, but so far these issues are connected because although Chinese families might want kids, the educational costs attached make this impossible for some?

I agree that banning the tutoring classes was a correct choice, however the emergence of illegal tutoring services and their popularity does paint a rather frustrating truth about the difficulty to resolve this issue, that is the inherent competitiveness of Chinese culture amongst the parents of this generation makes this issue very complicated, which is corroborated by your explanation of the issue.

And if this is the case, wouldn't this be a deadlock of parents not being able to afford raising children because of the educational costs, and the educational costs being so high because of the academic pressure parents put on their children? That sounds like a clusterfuck, does the CPC have any ideas on how to resolve this right now?

Yeah that was the consensus I obtained from reading western news sources on the issue. I understand now reporting the unemployment rate of people still in school age is pretty disingenuous. However like my response to an above comment, I want to ask is there statistics showing the distribution of where the unemployment comes from in this 16-24 age range? I'm specifically interested in the 22-24 age range as that would be the average new-grad, and this would paint a much more interesting picture to analyze.

Thanks for the response. I responded to the population issue in an above comment.

I just want to ask about the overworking of students bit. I recognize China banned after-school tutoring of core subjects, but I have heard there are massive amounts of illegal tutoring now that has effectively become the norm if you want to remain academically competitive, is this true? And if so are there actions happening to address this?

I conceded that the mannerisms argument is probably subjective, and I'll need to visit China myself to come to an informed conclusion.

Thank you for the articles, if this was reddit I would give you a delta on the population point lol. Looking at a less simplistic economic model does show that the west exaggerates China's population issue.

For the unemployment issue, that makes a lot more sense, so in actuality China has a "youth unemployment rate" (measured from 16-24) at ~20%, not overall unemployment. I'm really curious about this statistic, is there data to see what percentage of this comes from people below the age of typically receiving a bachelors degree (<=22) vs 22-24? And is there data comparing this to US or other western demographics? That would be very interesting.