For sure, have a great day.

How about you show the comments those replies were directed towards? Again are some people such sheltered snowflakes that you expect to freely insult someone without getting shit back? Isn't this internet 101 to expect an equal amount of respect directed back towards you?

As for the post I got banned from GenZeDong for. How about you bring up the original context of the post? I started the post explicitly saying I don't buy into the western narrative on Xinjiang, so I found a set of very robotic and eerily similar pro-China Xinjiang videos all sharing the same characteristics in their title very weird. And that post was in the format of a question because I was confused whether this was a 2-way western made psyop or a very poor outreach piece conducted by a local government branch in Xinjiang, and was looking for input from more knowledgeable people.

I even got DMs after the post was removed from some people who didn't believe I was fairly banned, and proceeded to have some productive discussion on the topic of my post.

Jesus christ if I didn't have some good faith discussions with people initially when I just posted this thread I would think this was the Vaush subreddit from how much some of you purity test others.

First of all, that's not what infantilizing means, infantilizing means I give off the impression of assuming a group of people are dumbasses based on the way I'm treating said group. In fact I would say the way you're posting, typing out some elementary school explanation of stereotypes which implies you assume I've never heard of these talking points, after reading everything I wrote, is actually being condescending.

Explicitly stating something and then proceeding to ask a question quantifying to what extent these circumstances are true, within a space where the group of people have an overwhelmingly positive reception, is about the least offensive way you can talk about cultural stereotypes, especially one which is overwhelmingly reinforced by me and my friends personal experiences.

In a purely philosophical sense if you want to ignore all normative arguments, context, and reality then sure, you can say all stereotypes are the same nonsense and reaffirm existing biases. In reality, some stereotypes are more real than others, and sometimes stereotypes are completely accurate (not implying this one is), it depends on what we're talking about so it helps to actually focus on the topic of discussion (in this case mannerisms of Chinese people), instead of rambling off a bunch of general talking points to a generalized version of the topic of discussion, and then loosely attributing it back to what I said.

In this case the actual Chinese people below have confirmed that some of these stereotypes do disproportionately exist in Chinese culture amongst the older generation, the explanation that these people act the way they do after having experienced famines and poor education when China was still industrializing is understandable and makes sense. Actually quantifying a stereotype and explaining why they exist is so much more effective at resolving prejudices than acting like a caricature from some 2016 SJW video now don't they?

I stand by what I said. What I posted was at most slightly insensitive in wording. And based on the countless responses below from actual Chinese people which lead to friendly and productive conversations that gave me a better understanding of these issues, it seems like my message was not interpreted negatively at all by almost anyone who it actually pertains to. In fact it's funny how the only people who my wording actually offends are non-Chinese people.

That makes sense, I guess rising the skill floor is a lot harder than rising the ceiling as it is tied to the transition of China's workforce to a more high skilled one. But anyways thanks for the input, even anecdotal examples can be interesting to expand perspectives.

How do comments of these two's quality have so many upvotes? Is this some lemmy.world psyop brigade lmao?

This is an internet message board, apologies if my choice of vocabulary doesn't meet the standard of a research paper, but you seem to have glanced over half a sentence of every point I wrote and then attribute the worst version of that topic possible onto me.

1. If you deny the matter of fact that Chinese goods have received an overall negative international reputation for being disproportionately low quality until at the least the last 20 years, then you would just be wrong. The posts below have done a good job responding to why this is a necessary transitioning step towards industrialization, and statistics do indeed show an improvement of this trend which is great.

2. ??? https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/12/05/key-facts-about-chinas-declining-population/ https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/CHN/china/population https://www.worlddata.info/asia/china/populationgrowth.php Are you denying that birth rate is an upcoming issue for China to face? Again the question of discussion here is whether this is a significant enough issue to harshly impact China's economy and growth, or whether other factors such as China's transition to a more skilled and educated workforce will be enough to offset this, not if this issue exists or not, which it most certainly does.

3. According to links below, the Chinese national bureau of statistics. The age range they picked to measure from was the problem, not the number itself which is true.

4. At this point I'm not sure what you're trying to say, or if you are just trying to be as condescending as possible. If it wasn't explicit enough, I am in favor of the bans over paid tutoring of core subjects because it gives an unfair advantage to richer families... As for illegal tutoring services, I don't think the Chinese government will do nothing about them, that's why I'm asking in one of the only pro-China english forums if anyone knows what specifically they are doing...

5. Again I didn't formally state this point in the style of a thesis because I didn't think anyone would deny the matter of fact that China, or at least sinospheric countries, have historically suffered uniquely significant amounts of nepotism. Xi's anti-corruption campaigns were a welcome start to addressing the issue. However anecdotes can prove at least the continued existence of corruption in China, my question was to try to quantify the extent of which it still existed at, if there are any ongoing current actions tackling it, and how the situation compares to western countries (which admittedly have been getting worse in this regard over the years).

6. No?? Racism would be saying "Han people are inherently ugly because they have squinty eyes." That's not at all similar to what I said. What I did was I identified a behavioral pattern amongst a group of people from a shared cultural group, based on my own experiences, friends experiences, that match existing stereotypes about said group; which while not being sufficient to dictate an absolute conclusion, should at least justify having the desire to inquire about such behavior no? Especially since I am asking a community where said ethnic group has a positive reception, which should imply I am trying to learn instead of reinforcing prejudices in an echo chamber, I seriously don't see how my question can be perceived as anything more than somewhat insensitive in delivery.

I won't respond to the end of your post which is just a splattering of non sequiturs.