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[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

If you can seriously read my posts in their entirety and still feel like I am a troll or a China hater, then you either have 0 language comprehension or crippling autism.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago

For sure, have a great day.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

How about you show the comments those replies were directed towards? Again are some people such sheltered snowflakes that you expect to freely insult someone without getting shit back? Isn't this internet 101 to expect an equal amount of respect directed back towards you?

As for the post I got banned from GenZeDong for. How about you bring up the original context of the post? I started the post explicitly saying I don't buy into the western narrative on Xinjiang, so I found a set of very robotic and eerily similar pro-China Xinjiang videos all sharing the same characteristics in their title very weird. And that post was in the format of a question because I was confused whether this was a 2-way western made psyop or a very poor outreach piece conducted by a local government branch in Xinjiang, and was looking for input from more knowledgeable people.

I even got DMs after the post was removed from some people who didn't believe I was fairly banned, and proceeded to have some productive discussion on the topic of my post.

Jesus christ if I didn't have some good faith discussions with people initially when I just posted this thread I would think this was the Vaush subreddit from how much some of you purity test others.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago

This is literally the meme of you throwing shit over a wall, and then getting surprised when shit is thrown back at you.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

First of all, that's not what infantilizing means, infantilizing means I give off the impression of assuming a group of people are dumbasses based on the way I'm treating said group. In fact I would say the way you're posting, typing out some elementary school explanation of stereotypes which implies you assume I've never heard of these talking points, after reading everything I wrote, is actually being condescending.

Explicitly stating something and then proceeding to ask a question quantifying to what extent these circumstances are true, within a space where the group of people have an overwhelmingly positive reception, is about the least offensive way you can talk about cultural stereotypes, especially one which is overwhelmingly reinforced by me and my friends personal experiences.

In a purely philosophical sense if you want to ignore all normative arguments, context, and reality then sure, you can say all stereotypes are the same nonsense and reaffirm existing biases. In reality, some stereotypes are more real than others, and sometimes stereotypes are completely accurate (not implying this one is), it depends on what we're talking about so it helps to actually focus on the topic of discussion (in this case mannerisms of Chinese people), instead of rambling off a bunch of general talking points to a generalized version of the topic of discussion, and then loosely attributing it back to what I said.

In this case the actual Chinese people below have confirmed that some of these stereotypes do disproportionately exist in Chinese culture amongst the older generation, the explanation that these people act the way they do after having experienced famines and poor education when China was still industrializing is understandable and makes sense. Actually quantifying a stereotype and explaining why they exist is so much more effective at resolving prejudices than acting like a caricature from some 2016 SJW video now don't they?

I stand by what I said. What I posted was at most slightly insensitive in wording. And based on the countless responses below from actual Chinese people which lead to friendly and productive conversations that gave me a better understanding of these issues, it seems like my message was not interpreted negatively at all by almost anyone who it actually pertains to. In fact it's funny how the only people who my wording actually offends are non-Chinese people.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago

That makes sense, I guess rising the skill floor is a lot harder than rising the ceiling as it is tied to the transition of China's workforce to a more high skilled one. But anyways thanks for the input, even anecdotal examples can be interesting to expand perspectives.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Who are you talking to? Fighting ghosts? Did I not explicitly say I don't believe in the western narrative in Xinjiang?

That's why I'm so confused at these videos that looked like they were made by chatgpt. https://youtu.be/w7VvUGMlJcM https://youtu.be/c7rC6b_n5_s https://youtu.be/7siHQT7SYgA https://youtu.be/4gdunDooGqI https://youtu.be/KjiiKHuUqns

Here, look at any of these videos. They share extremely similar dialogue, with identical phrases being repeated. The people talk robotically, what they say is extremely scripted, their expressions are unnatural. Do these look like normal blog videos to you?!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I have linked some videos below, and provided you with a way on how to search for the videos in question.

I'll just pull an example here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUTq83Jpgf0&ab_channel=subuq34

Does this video look normal to you?

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

How do comments of these two's quality have so many upvotes? Is this some lemmy.world psyop brigade lmao?

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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 

To clarify, I don't believe in the surface level propaganda thrown in China's way about "1984 dystopian society," "Mao killed 60 million people," "Xinjiang concentration camps" or things like that.

I'm curious about a few negative factors of China that have become widespread knowledge over the past decade or so by even the politically literate audience, and I want to learn how accurate these things are, how prevalent they are in today's society in China, and how much it would impact the day to day life of someone living in China.

  1. Quality control, I have read stories about Chinese factories producing guns, steel, industrial goods, consumer goods, food products, far below acceptable or safe standards, leading to construction/infrastructure failure and severe health complications. There are also claims that smaller restaurants in China today still sometimes use very low quality ingredients that can result in serious health issues. How much of an issue is this?

  2. Population issue. The Chinese population trend is going in a unfavorable direction right now, and there are reports of young people not wanting to have children because of cultural and cost reasons. How much of an issue is this, and will China end up like Korea and Japan in another decade or two?

  3. Unemployment, it is a fact right now that Chinese people have a 20% unemployment issue due to an abundance of university graduates without sufficient jobs to match this supply. And this has caused internal competition to swell to unreasonable standards leading some people to straight up give up on their careers and become full time neets. Are there any positive trends or actions to resolve this issue?

  4. Education. The education system sounds terrifying in China right now, children as young as elementary schoolers having to sleep only 6 hours a night to finish their homework from school and tutoring services. I have also read that after the government banned tutoring of core classroom subjects, illegal tutoring services have become a thing. I would laugh at how this would be the most asian issue ever if I wasn't so horrified by the situation. Is there any government effort to resolve this right now?

  5. Nepotism. From what I have heard and read, using connections to obtain positions and resources in China is still very common. How bad is this, and are there any reforms or policies tackling it?

  6. Mannerisms and emotional intelligence of the average person. There are frequent complaints about Chinese people being horrible tourists, being extremely rude, having the emotional maturity of a donut until at least the age of 30, and also taking advantage of anything free to disgusting levels (I have personally seen old Chinese ladies take out a container and fill it with ketchup from a restaurant where the condiments are self served). I understand the reasoning behind this, China in it's current iteration is a relatively new country, and the education received by different generations varies massively in quality, with only really Gen Z on average obtaining a level of education that is on par with western populations. I just want to ask how bad this is in day to day life, and if it is tolerable.

Thanks for reading my somewhat long post, I'd appreciate any response, you don't have to respond to all of my points, any point would be fine. I want to have a positive impression of China but these points are really bugging me right now.

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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 

This is a question I've been thinking about for quite a few. I'm currently studying Computer Science, and personally I choose this major because it aligned with my talents and interests, however after 2 years of college its very apparent that I don't relate to or even like the majority of my peers in this field, in fact most of my friends study Biology or something.

The problem is with this annoying rat racey mentality and obsession with money. Everyone wants to work in California, almost everyone is in the field to maximize their earning potential. And ideas like the "only purpose of college is to land a job," "less time to eat = more time to work" (many of my peers eat 1-2 meals a day), and behaviors like sucking up to people with better connections/coops or remodeling your entire personality towards company values, or doxing your interviewer in advance to pretend to have common interests to increase their chances of landing a job offer are not only prevalent but seen as normal.

Problem is, I don't want to live in California, that place's cultural runs completely against my beliefs. I don't want to sacrifice all my time and life/hobbies/friends for work. And I want to make friends with normal, chill people, and not a bunch of insecure pretentious assholes, which I now fear every high paying tech area in the US will be chock full of.

I'm curious if there are places in the global south where I can pursue a fulfilling career in my field. Income is not an issue, at this point I care about quality of life significantly more. I've been eyeing Shenzhen for a while, although China's 996 culture also seems to be a little worrying and Shenzhen's cost of living is quite high as well. I wanted to get some input on this issue from individuals who have a more open mind about non-western countries.

This is my first post in Lemmygrad btw, sorry if it's in the wrong place.

Edit: Thanks for all the responses everyone! I really appreciate the advice and just general reassurance, especially at the existence of non-liberal subcultures even in the bay area. I'll keep in mind that the world is bigger than just 1 university campus, and I'll be open to exploring new opportunities and finding my own niche.

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