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spoilerIt's the seal of Muhammed, used at the end of the letters he sent

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

That's the seal of Muhammad. I've been into flags for a long time so basically the moment Daesh started showing up in the news when I was maybe 13 or so I was already hearing about the symbolism of its flag, including that the little circular symbol was the prophet's seal, which I believe reads "Allah's prophet Muhammad" -- as opposed to the Shahada which says "Muhammad is the prophet of Allah". The reason for the flipped word order compared to the Shahada is so that Allah's name is literally above Muhammad's, which I think is pretty cool.

All in all the seal of Muhammad is a pretty striking, interesting, historic symbol, but now most non-Muslims only really associate it with Daesh or similar groups. I was at the library recently and saw a book called To søstre whose cover was literally just the seal of Muhammad in order to convey that it was a book about Daesh (specifically about two teen girls who were radicalized into joining). I thought that was a poor choice of cover, that played into basically what ignorant non-Muslims associate with the symbol rather than what the symbol actually means.

Edit: OK so the word order isn't actually reversed from that on the Shahada per se, it's just that you read the words in reverse order.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I'm currently going through something but the point I'm trying to get across is:

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago

I figured, yeah.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

شو يعني؟ Religious symbols get coopted?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago
[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago

Not the faintest clue, frankly.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago

It says Mohammed Rasulallah from bottom to top. It's part of the Shahada, which is the core of the Islamic faith and which people have to recite in order to become a muslim. No negative feelings about it. This font seems to be the one ISIS uses though, and I don't like them.

(But am learning Arabic so I'm not representative of non-muslims as a whole.)

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago

Idk... all I know is it reads "Mohammed is Allah's messenger", but the font looks like Daesh made it...

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago

I know it's something of some significance in Islam, or the culture around it, and that it was recently most prominently used by daesh but I think it has been used in other places historically as well.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago

I can only recognize allah. I think the nottom says muhammad, so maybe gods messenger muhammed?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago

As a non-Muslim, the first thing I though about was ISIS ngl

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago

The Arabic on it translates to: God's Messenger, Mohammed

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I recognize it but I don't remember why.

After spoiler: shit I really should have known that.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You recognize it because if you invert the colors it's the symbol on the Daesh/ISIS flag

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yeah not just that, my dumb ass took comparative religion so I've seen the symbol in context.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago
[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

I'm not good at reading arabic without vowel markers but the text says Allah rasool Muhammed

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

my kneejerk lizardbrain reaction would be thinking it's from ISIS, but from my prior research I know it as the seal of Islam's Prophet - which has often been co-opted by varying groups throughout the ages for varying purposes.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

Isn't that clipped from Daesh flag?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

No idea. I can't tell at all.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Means nothing to me specifically. I think the only symbol I sort of get is the crescent moon, although I don't actually know why it's important to muslims.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

It means the beginning of the month

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

When I was a kid I learned that the crescent represented the moon at the start of Ramadan, but in truth the symbol is actually pretty arbitrary and tied up in Ottoman history and not something that all Muslims even like to use.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

owl jaw, 2020

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Before looking at the spoiler, I assumed it was some Islamist symbol akin to the Taliban or ISIS flags.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

Ex-muslim and this is what I guessed too. I don't think I remember this having any particular significance in Islam.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

Being honest, my first thoughts were "death to america".

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago
[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

aui jawl zoso

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

I’m not sure if you’re just asking us to look at it and take a wild guess. I’d be happy to do so, but I’m not sure if that is what you’re asking or if it would be offensive to do so.

Please clarify.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

idk but it looks cool. Ima fly it outside ma house

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I have only paid actual attention to arabic script once, but I gotta say this doesn't look right to me. Are these actual graphemes?

Edit: yes, they are. My ignorant ass was thrown off by lack of vowel markers and poor knowledge of ligatures

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

The only bit I recognized was "Allah" at the beginning. And I'm not even that confident about that.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 8 months ago

It meant nothing to me