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Please refer to Israel as Occupied Palestine, or occupied territories. The IDF is a fascist and ethnonationalist occupying force. Israelis are settlers. We understand however that the imperial narrative (which tries to legitimise Israel) is internalised in the imperial core and slip-ups are naturally expected.

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 8 months ago

The actual quote from the Reuters article:

A Hamas official based in Qatar told Reuters that the group estimated it had lost 6,000 fighters during the four-month-old conflict, half the 12,000 Israel says it has killed.

Gaza's ruling group can keep fighting and is prepared for a long war in Rafah and Gaza, said the official, who requested anonymity.

"Netanyahu's options are difficult and ours are too. He can occupy Gaza but Hamas is still standing and fighting. He hasn't achieved his goals to kill the Hamas leadership or annihilate Hamas," he added.

Since this is a completely unattributed anonymous quote, I'm not sure how reliable it is.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 8 months ago (1 children)

So the IDF killed like 20,000+ civilians to kill 6,000 militants. Monstrous.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 25 points 8 months ago

Even that is likely an undercount

[–] [email protected] 34 points 8 months ago

Israel has literally displaced millions of people, and pretty much anybody living in Gaza has lost some relatives at this point. I can't imagine that Hamas will have a lack of volunteers going forward. The reality is that Hamas has been preparing for this sort of conflict for many years, and so far there is no indication that Israel managed to make any strategic gains in Gaza. All they've accomplished was to massacre tends of thousands of civilians, displace millions of people, and create a massive humanitarian crisis.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

“Game over”?

Can you think of a more disrespectful way to address this situation? Imagine gamifying literal genocide.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 8 months ago (2 children)

It's just an expression. No need to detract from the topic.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago (1 children)

pretty sure you can edit the title very simply to avoid this entirely, try the end, or similar

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

didn't even notice, sorry comrade

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

Sorry about that comrade, thought you were OP as well. Thought you were doubling down on “your” choice of title.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

Doesn’t make it not extremely insensitive. Pretty poor choice of saying when referring to the deaths of 6,000 people.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 8 months ago

Hamas is a small militia fighting against one of the most brutal, sophisticated army in the world , still kicking their ass hard. But yeah without external help they can't win.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 8 months ago

Israel: "See?! By killing every man, woman, and child in Gaza we were able to kill Hamas too!"

[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 months ago (3 children)

When one is just bombing you are counting stochastic possible deaths of hamas per bomb, then counting bombs. All of hamas could have hidden in undergound bunkers and they'd still release this dreck. Their intel is so bad it means nothing. Its disgusting that they use bombs instead of meeting the needs of the Palestinian people.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago

Found this on AP and cited on some videos and substacks:

https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-gaza-health-ministry-health-death-toll-59470820308b31f1faf73c703400b033

Isn'treal has no intelligence on who is in Hamas or not. They have shut They have reports from the Gaza ministry of health of all of the deaths. They just presume that all millitary aged men are Hamas fighters. This counting method has been used by NATO for reporting Taliban casualties in Iraq, Afghanistan,and Russia.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

All of hamas could have hidden in undergound bunkers

Israel follow the Pax Americana the policy to terrorize civilians with the hope that at least one terrorist suspect among the population will die from the counter-terrorism's terrorism. Not only is this a double standard, it also dismiss the commonsense procedure of modern states to search and capture rebel suspects. Despite the Cold War anti-Comminist slanders, the Pax Americana did not even lied that Communist government murder a crowd of civilians just to kill a political enemy even when they could apply their typical tactic to project the brutality of pre-communit regimes onto Communism to lie that USSR follow the late Russian king to murder a crowd of civilians just to kill suspected dissenters.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

At this point, they're just assuming every 1/3 of Gaza's human population (male et 18+) is Hamas

Children younger than 18 years, women aged 18–59 years, and both men and women aged 60 years or older (groups that probably include few combatants) constituted 68·1% of analysable deaths (4594/6745; figure B).

I mean, you could look at the 1982 Hama massacre (in Hafez's Syria, not to be confused with Palestine) and just realize their civilian casualties might be more than 7/10 of the total ones reported... why can't ye say the same about Israel's modern estimations?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

Queue the Ho Chi Minh quote

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

How are they getting these interviews exactly?