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[–] [email protected] 118 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

The future of information ladies and gentlemen

[–] [email protected] 31 points 7 months ago

Wow it’s so realistic and smart and easy to use I can feel my knowledge being revolutionised

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[–] [email protected] 105 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

It's so human how - instead of admitting its error - it's pulling this bs right out of its ass 🤣

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago (1 children)

🤔 I wonder what the hell it is that's so scary about admitting they're wrong to other people.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Growing up in an environment where mistakes were unacceptable sets the stage. Our willingness and ability to understand that that's fucked up and change our attitudes about mistakes takes more growth.

For some people it's easier to dig in their heels and double down.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

🤔🤔🤔 I guess I can empathize. People are always traumatized by whatever their parents tell them. What a shame.

[–] [email protected] 79 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 34 points 7 months ago

"where?" comes across as confrontational, you made it scared :(

[–] [email protected] 53 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Large Lying Model. This could make politicians and executives obsolete!

[–] [email protected] 19 points 7 months ago (1 children)

More like large guessing models. They have no thought process, they just produce words.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago (1 children)

They don't even guess. Guessing would imply them understanding what you're talking about. They only think about the language, not the concepts. It's the practical embodiment of the Chinese room thought experiment. They generate a response based on the symbols, but not the ideas the symbols represent.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

I'm equating probability with guessing here, but yes there is a nuanced difference.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I think these models struggle with this because they don't process text as individual characters, but rather as tokens that often contain parts of a word. So the model never sees the actual characters within a token, and can only infer the contents of a token from the training data itself if the training data contains more information about it. It can get it right, but this depends on how much it can infer from training data and context. It's probably a bit like trying to infer what an English word sounds like when you've only heard 10% of the dictionary spoken aloud and knowing what it sounds like isn't actually that important to you.

More info can be found here: https://platform.openai.com/tokenizer

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago (6 children)

Ok, so, tokenization of the words is why I get that I have seen tech nerds get so excited about a system that allows for being able to come up with synonyms for words that were auto-generated that have a basic ability to sometimes be correct by looking at the words before and after it....

But it's such a shitty way to look up synonyms! Using the words on either side doesn't mean you found a synonym just that you found another word that might work and it still has to use the full horsepower of ridiculously overpowered system.

Or you could have a lookup table that just reads the frickin word and has alternate synonyms predefined and it was able to run in word 97.

It's ridiculous that we think this is better in any meaningful way instead of just wasteful development.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 7 months ago

Mayonnaine: mayo with cocaine. The favorite condiment of Wall Street.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 7 months ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 25 points 7 months ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago

PRAGERT SEX. Hurt baby top of head?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago

HOW BABBY IS FORMED

[–] [email protected] 35 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

You forgot the rest of the posts where the llm gaslights her after. There are too many images to put here, so I'll link a post to them.
I'm not sure if this is the original post, but it's where I found it. initially

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

AI coming for those management jobs.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Yah, people don’t seem to get that LLM can not consider the meaning or logic of the answers they give. They’re just assembling bits of language in patterns that are likely to come next based on their training data.

The technology of LLMs is fundamentally incapable of considering choices or doing critical thinking. Maybe new types of models will be able to do that but those models don’t exist yet.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

A grown man I work with, he's in his 50s, tells me he asks ChatGPT stuff all the time, and I can't for the life of me figure out why. It is a copycat designed to beat the Turing test. It is not a search engine or Wikipedia, it just gambles it can pass the Turing test after every prompt you give it.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Honestly though, with a bit of verification, chatgpt 4 gives waaaaaay better answers than any search engine. Like, it's how it was back when you'd just ask Google a plain-english question and it'd give you SOMETHING at least.

Again, verify everything it tells you, it's still prone to hallucinations, but it's a damn good first step.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Sure. But take it for what it is. It is a language model designed to imitate humans writing. What the future holds, I can't say

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 7 months ago

The funniest thing is that even when the answer is correct, asking an LLM to explain its reasoning step by step can produce the dumbest results

[–] [email protected] 29 points 7 months ago

Artificial Intelligencensence.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I just tried in google gemini

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 24 points 7 months ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 24 points 7 months ago

I wonder what we'll rebrand 'using an LLM' as once the bubble bursts and we realize it's only artificial-advanced-grammarly and not 'intelligence'.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The letter n appears twice in the letter m. The count is correct, the reasoning is not

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago

That's not what it was doing behind the scenes

[–] [email protected] 21 points 7 months ago (2 children)

If anybody's curious, I tried it with GPT4 and it got it right.

[–] [email protected] 72 points 7 months ago (6 children)

I think GPT3.5 bamboozled me

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago

I fucking love this

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

Bro you've been hoodwinked

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

Ok that got me lmao

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

Not to mention that all those n look suspiciously similar...

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Their coming fer are jerbs

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It's this dumb and they will still find a way to ruin our lives with it

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago (3 children)

That's what gets me too. Like, you want to replace all writers, artists, coders, and decision makers... with this?

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago

Bless it's heart it's doing its best.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

That escalated quickly

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Wow another repost of incorrectly prompting an LLM to produce garbage output. What great content!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago (8 children)

This is genuinely great content for demonstrating that ai search engines and chat bots are not in a place where you can trust them implicitly, though many do

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago (3 children)

They didn't ask it to produce incorrect output, the prompts are not leading it to an incorrect answer. It does highlight an important limitation of LLMs which is that it doesn't think, it just produces words off of probability.

However it's wrong to think that just because it's limited that it's useless. It's important to understand the flaws so we can make them less common through how we use the tool.

For example, you can ask it to think everything through step by step. By producing a more detailed context window for itself it can reduce mistakes. In this case it could write out the letters with the count numbered and that would give it enough context to properly answer the question since it would have the numbers and letters together giving it more context. You could even tell it to write programs to assist itself and have it generate a letter counting program to count it accurately and produce the correct answer.

People can point out flaws in the technology all they want but smarter people are going to see the potential and figure out how to work around the flaws.

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