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Were you around in the late 90s-early 2000s? Because let me tell you that the prequels did not spark joy for people then. It was insane the amount of hate leveled at Ep 1-3. Hell kids at Jake Lloyd’s school bullied him so hard he quit acting.
So you never know, 7-9 might spark joy for people in 20 years.
It's wild how people pretend that the prequels weren't hated by a bunch of people. Like, the Plinkett Reviews of the prequels were legendary YouTube videos for years before people started ironically memeing the prequels in, like, 2016.
Zoomers memed themselves into liking them. I'm amazed
Speaking as someone who actively despised the prequels when they came out, and has only learned to unclench my teeth in anger at their existence after a long process of maturation and philosophical introspection, I can't wait to see the next generation of people getting furious when the sequels have been out long enough for new young fans to grow up and embrace them the same way the prequels were. It was horrible and difficult for me to go through, so it's only fair that others should have to witness that process as well.
It did for me. Darth Jar Jar being the true Sith Lord is head cannon to me.
Cool concept. But george lucas wasnt creative enough for that theory. He almost had an nsync segment in episode one because his daughter liked nsync.
I was a kid when the prequels came out. I remember the hate for them, but most of my friends that were my age all loved them, as did I.
I think people tend to like what they grew up with and dislike what comes out when they are older.
You can see this pattern in Pokemon games as well. I grew up with gen 2 and gen 3. When gen 4 came out, it seemed like everyone hated it. Same with gen 5. But now most people act like gen 5 was the last good one.
Wait 10 years, and people will make memes and change public opinion about the sequels.
I saw the originals as a child, and thus loved them.
I saw the prequels as an adult, and was kinda meh on 1 but loved 2 and 3.
While still an adult, I felt the same way about 7 and 8 as I did about 1.
But 9? I thought there was something wrong with me at first. I literally couldn't believe what I'd just seen. They spent hundreds of millions of dollars on that! It still hurts my brain to imagine all those people buying off on that script... It must have been an emperor's new clothes sort of situation. Such a waste of so many things.
The Last Jedi also has a lot of problems, but The Rise of Skywalker is possibly the worst film in the entire franchise. I’m still annoyed about the fact that they had a better script with a genuinely interesting story (Duel of the Fates), and cancelled it for the shitshow that was Rise of Skywalker.
Prequels weren't great, but they were decent. I'd recommend watching them.
There is a lot to live up to being prequels. People going to judge harshly.
7-8 were just plain bad, I enjoy Star Wars stuff a bunch. I like the prequels more than most I feel. I don't even have one single care to watch the 9th.
I doubt it will change in 10 years.
Memes, sure, but they will be only how bad they suck. People who meme about the prequels usually enjoyed them at least a little.
I love giving first time watchers the machete watching order. Watch episode 4 and 5, and then watch 2 and 3 to give Vader some backstory after he reveals that he's Luke's dad. Then cap it off with episode 6 as the conclusion for Luke's and Anakin's story.
Or I can start with Rogue One. I know one of my friends became a fan after watching Rogue One.
Are we seriously bringing this nonsense over here to Lemmy as well? The ridiculous binarization of the quality of film & TV has utterly killed media discourse. If everything has to be either "amazing" or "trash fire," there is just simply nothing to be talked about anymore.
Was the OT amazing? Yes, it was. I can get on board there.
Was the PT amazing? No, it was not. Maybe some of it was good, and most of it better than its reputation, but overall the PT was fine. In fact, overall, most content is fine.
Was the ST a garbage fire? No! It was also fine. Some of it was ok, some of it was actually good. But as a whole, it was fine.
Rogue One? Pretty good! Not mind-blowing, not bad, better than "fine."
Solo? Very watchable. Not bad, worse than "fine."
The Mandalorian? Quite good! Occasionally mind-blowing, regularly excellent, always better than "fine."
Ahsoka? Also pretty good! Better than "fine."
Most media is just fine, and ALL media exists on a spectrum of quality; and pretending like it has to be either mind-blowing or unwatchable dreck makes the whole conversation fall apart. Being able to admit it, and to admit that there are some good elements and some bad elements, or just some things you didn't jive with, makes you sound more like an adult.
You skipped Andor. In my very subjective opinion, it's the best thing in the star wars universe since the OT.
The writing is razor sharp, the themes are serious and heavy (how does radicalization happen? What does living under a fascist empire feel like for the average person? What does it mean to be a rebel? How much are you willing to sacrifice?), and it really explores the very early rebellion.
It's also a great looking series, with lots of practical sets and effects, and it doesn't retread any familiar planets so they can do cool things with world building.
Seriously! I absolutely adore/loathe Dedra Meero. She's such a well written character, I can't help but hate the woman.
I generally agree, but
Was the ST a garbage fire? No! It was also fine. Some of it was ok, some of it was actually good. But as a whole, it was fine.
I'm sorry this objectively is wrong. The ST was the definition of garbage fire. There was nothing fine with it.
I member when this meme would've been OT vs prequels... Now I'm not bold enough to say we'll ever see the sequels redeemed and considered at least passable/sparks joy, but I'm also old and realize they weren't really made for me. Then again the prequels kinda were and I kinda hated them as a kid (aside from 3)...
I watched them recently, they're worse than I remember for sure. There are still fun things about them. But they're not particularly good movies. I think the same thing can be said about the sequels
This is 100% spot on. They are all a lot of fun and I'll watch them again at some point, but they're not good movies. My bar for Star Wars properties, like for other media, comes in two layers:
IMHO, the first one is the more important question and the thing that Star Wars media constantly fails at. Andor was a fucking masterpiece and would have been an amazing piece of prestige television even absent any Star Wars connection. That's the case with Rogue One and The Clone Wars, as well. The Prequels and Sequels don't pass muster on criteria 1 and even a few don't succeed meeting criteria 2.
This is the first time I've seen praise for the prequels. Weird.
Then you must be new to the internet. Welcome.
Nah, man. The prequels were mercilessly assaulted on the internet for a long time. There must be a new generation of fans praising them now, or maybe the newer movies are so bad that they make the prequels seem good in comparison, so everyone's revised their opinions.
That was 20 years ago. They are praised for about 10 years now.
Is the "ugly friend" effect. People are even starting phrasing The Hobbit now after the abomination of Amazon. Also, a good story is a good story despise the "PS2" CGI of the old trio.
The prequels suck so much arse. They are proof positive that George Lucas did not make Star Wars on his own because without his ex and Kasdan what we got was unmitigated garbage with hideous design choices, awful soporific dialogue, overwrought action scenes and terrible, racist humour.
Fuck the prequels and fuck George Lucas. He ruined Star Wars for the true fans. I saw all of the original trilogy in their first runs. The prequels took a huge shit on everything I loved about Star Wars.
The fight in the very beginning makes zero sense. There is an embargo? But why? Who is fighting who? If you are going to have a pivotal point of the story at least have a clear reason why. Sure they are bullies and they are fighting to move the story, but they kept coming back to it. Make it makes sense.
And rolling in flowers and being a "senator" isn't a real love story. That's a manufactured love story. Real life stories are when people are attracted to each other and deny it, and then can only admit it when you are about to be in Carbonite.
But why not midi-chlorians?
It is interesting seeing people like episodes 1-3 now.
I wonder what 20 years will do for 7-9?
JarJar isa Sith Lord!
The line when Qui Gon describes midi-chlorians to baby Darth Vader is the dumbest shit ever:
Without midi-chlorians there would be no life and we would have no knowledge of the midi-chlorians.
Like no fucking shit we would have no knowledge of something if there was NO LIFE numbnuts.
Let's stop the collective gaslighting of pretending the prequels were good just because the new trilogy was garbage.
Let's stop the collective gaslighting of pretending the prequels were good just because the new trilogy was also garbage.
FTFY
This is some dumbass elitism. Let people enjoy what they enjoy. Star Wars is a space fantasy. Rey gets Jar Jar pregnant in the lost 10th movie. It was glorious.
Regardless of genre any work of fiction should have cohesive plot and characterization. It's not elitism to say that the new trilogy is hobbled by numerous, avoidable writing pitfalls.
The other films had writing problems as well but not nearly as many as the new films. People are free to enjoy the new trilogy but they are poorly written.
And yes, I'm aware of how fucking cringe the dialogue in the prequels was.
In ten years people will simp for the Sequels and shit on.... whatever the newest movie is.. "The new protag's not as cool as Rey!!1111"
It'll happen
We've seen it before with the prequels.
This meme wouldn't fly like 18 years ago. Prequels sparking joy? Please, not the Phantom Menace.
V, half of IV and Rogue One spark joy.
The rest, not so much.
I tried something new a few weeks ago to kick off an update machete order that I thought worked surprisingly well. I started with the start of act 3 of Rogue One. Going into that blind, not knowing the characters or what specifically they were trying to accomplish, seeing some blind monk guy walk and act by faith instead of sight to do something at a console, they sacrifice all to beam some kind of signal, and then this towering menace in all black just shows up and slaughters a bunch of dudes... It perfectly leads into IV and enhances it without the time commitment or pacing issues of watching all of Rogue One. I love Mads but we really just don't need to even see him for the important bits of the story. Vader becomes even more mysterious and threatening this way, the "plans" in IV are given more weight and don't just seem like a macguffin to give the empire a reason to give chase, and Luke becomes relatively more of an unlikely hero because he's just a kid caught in the middle of a star war.
I'm not gonna say that Rogue One is bad, but for watching the entire saga it feels like a slog to watch the whole thing. As somebody who considers IV to be a 10/10 masterpiece, (especially for 1977 before anything like this existed, and before George Lucas changed shit for no reason,) I gotta know which half of IV is the half that sparks joy for you. Maybe my favorite moment in the entire franchise is when Luke storms out and looks at the twin sunset, yearning to leave his small and inconsequential life, John Williams' score swelling into the frustrated sobbing that only a teenager trapped in a small town with a small life could truly understand. It's his Disney princess moment.
People HATED the prequels when they came out, trust me. Your kids will love the new trilogy and you'll remember it with fondness. That's just the way it goes.
Serious question, how often have you rewatched the prequel trilogy? Say what you want about the sequel trilogy, but at least it can be entertaining. The prequels can be so boring.
i really like the prequels, i also seem to have a low bar for "good movie" since i also count ready player one as one of my favourites.
i like mediocre but fun movies, and i stand by that.
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I like ep7 honestly. It has problem, but it's also...fun? Ep8 is pure nonsense(carpet bomber in space...? Jedi leia?) and it makes me drop the whole franchise. I heard ep9 is even more nonsense.
I fell asleep watching ep1 lol.