Not clicking on a Shitter link mate
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Cleaned and redirected link
https://nitter.net/FreeSpeechIre/status/1746854766032846910
Still, the news link below is probably a better source. I don't know what 'FreeSpeechIre' is
It's too bad you couldn't find a link to somewhere other than x.com. Just going by the headline though, this could lead to great new career opportunities for Irish black market contraband meme dealers.
Freedom of expression is a protected right under both the Irish constitution and the European Convention on Human Rights.
So not at all what the post title claims?
Freedom of expression?
[https://extra.ie/2021/02/21/news/irish-news/gardai-tell-woman-to-take-down-social-media-post-after-she-identifies-herself-as-child-abuse-victim(url) https://extra.ie/2021/02/21/news/irish-news/gardai-tell-woman-to-take-down-social-media-post-after-she-identifies-herself-as-child-abuse-victim
Thats a completely different scenario and frankly, you're being dishonest putting that forward as an example of freedom of expression being blocked.
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Freedom of expression generally doesn't mean you can say anything without limitation
So an adult victim of a crime can't admit that they were the victim of a crime?
I'm not familiar with the laws of Ireland, but considering that article you linked, I guess I'm that specific instance, the answer is "No".
They still have freedom of expression.
It's fucking hilarious how x.com still redirects to twitter.com
honestly the lamest and funniest bit.
Perfectly ties the whole thing up in a bow: can't even technically manage a domain name change.
Willing to bet some motherfucker has hardcoded twitter domain on the backend in one (or many) link generation process(es) on the basis "it's not like they're going to change the name" and now it borks occasionally if they use x.com
For some reason I'm now thinking about a video game called x.com where you have to fight aliens who have infiltrated and taken over a major social media site and are trying to TAKE OVER THE WORLD Wide Web.
(Actually, that kinda sounds like a sequal to x-bill.)
grep
of course, switching it back might not be so easy... 😂
Oh god. You've probably hit the nail on the head both directions all the same, how many methods/classes/variables are going to have twitter in the name somewhere. Or random bash scripts that pass an arg to something else from a job scheduler. This shit gives me the heebeejeebees just thinking about it.
Oh, shit. x.com = twitter, it's not Xcom (the game series) xD | That took me waaay to long to realise lol
How does one possess a meme?
Possession is nine-tenths of the meme.
That doesn't clear up anything!
Receive it in an ad and keep it on your disk as a cache?
And you all thought NFTs were dumb.
Post it on social media.
Friend sends it to you on WhatsApp for example
again, literally 1984.
It's an Unpopular opinion but free speech as it gets translated in modern society can suck a dick.
Shit only applies to the left anyway, the right can call for violence against their enemies and be fine but if you say you'll defend yourself it's a ban on Le socials
I'm.irish and this is the first I'm hearing about this.
I'm doubtful such a thing would be a priority for this government since they are very unpopular given the housing crisis and cost of living increase. They will do everything to scrape votes ahead of the next election.
I'd never heard of it either but apparently it's already passed through the dáil. Seems like it's coming. I believe it's well intentioned and I generally agree with it but my concern is around a future potentially authoritarian government that might abuse it to silence dissent.
I'm just about to add a top level comment with my digging. Will link it here in a minute.
Free Speech Ireland on twitter
You need to take a crash course in media literacy. This is little more than a propaganda account and you're posting it uncritically wholesale.
I'm from Ireland and had never heard of this so did some digging and used bard to summarise (it did a very solid job)
Can you tell me about the proposed hate speech legislation that's proposed for Ireland
The proposed hate speech legislation in Ireland, known as the Criminal Justice (Incitement to Violence or Hatred and Hate Offences) Bill 2022, aims to strengthen existing laws against hate speech and introduce new measures to tackle hate crimes. The bill has been through several stages of the legislative process and is currently awaiting final approval in the Irish Parliament.
Key Provisions of the Bill
The bill proposes several significant changes to the current legal framework on hate speech and hate crimes:
Expansion of Protected Characteristics: The bill expands the list of protected characteristics from five to seven, including gender and disability.
New Offense of Incitement to Violence or Hatred: The bill introduces a new criminal offense of incitement to violence or hatred. This offense would apply to any communication or behavior that is likely to incite violence or hatred against a person or group of persons on the basis of their protected characteristics.
Hate Crime Provisions: The bill introduces new aggravated forms of existing criminal offenses, such as assault, where those offenses are motivated by hatred against a person with a protected characteristic. This would mean that such offenses would be punished more severely.
Protection Against Hate-Motivated Harassment: The bill also includes measures to protect against hate-motivated harassment, such as stalking, intimidation, and discrimination in employment or housing.
Proposed Timeline for Implementation
The bill has already passed through the Dáil (Irish House of Representatives) and is currently at the stage of committee discussion in the Seanad (Irish Senate). If approved by the Seanad and signed into law by the President, the bill would likely come into effect in late 2024 or early 2025.
Debate and Controversy Surrounding the Bill
The proposed hate speech legislation has been met with both support and opposition. Supporters argue that the bill is necessary to protect vulnerable groups from hate speech and to deter hate crimes. They believe that the current legal framework is inadequate and that the new offenses will provide greater protection for victims of hate-motivated violence.
Opponents of the bill argue that it is an infringement on freedom of speech and that it could be used to stifle legitimate criticism of religious or political groups. They also express concern that the definition of hate speech is too vague and that the bill could be used to prosecute individuals for expressing unpopular or offensive opinions.
The debate surrounding the proposed hate speech legislation highlights the complex and sensitive nature of this issue. While there is a clear need to protect people from hate speech and hate crimes, it is also important to safeguard freedom of expression and ensure that the law is not used to stifle legitimate debate.
What ways could this legislation be abused by an authoritarian government?
Authoritarian governments could abuse the proposed hate speech legislation in a number of ways, including:
Silencing political dissent: The vague definition of hate speech could be used to prosecute individuals for expressing unpopular or critical views of the government or its policies. This could create a chilling effect on free speech and prevent people from speaking out against the government.
Suppressing minority groups: The bill could be used to target and silence minority groups, such as religious or ethnic minorities. This could create a climate of fear and intimidation and prevent these groups from exercising their rights.
Spreading propaganda: The government could use the bill to silence journalists and activists who are reporting on human rights abuses or corruption. This could allow the government to control the flow of information and maintain its grip on power.
Stifling public debate: The bill could be used to prevent people from discussing sensitive issues, such as the government's role in human rights abuses or the role of religion in society. This could prevent the public from engaging in open and honest debate about important issues.
It is important to note that these are just a few of the ways that an authoritarian government could abuse the proposed hate speech legislation. The potential for abuse is significant, and it is important to carefully consider the implications of this legislation before it is enacted.
In conclusion, the proposed hate speech legislation in Ireland is a well-intentioned bill that aims to protect vulnerable groups from hate speech and hate crimes. However, there is a risk that this legislation could be abused by an authoritarian government to silence political dissent, suppress minority groups, spread propaganda, and stifle public debate. It is important to carefully consider the potential for abuse before this legislation is enacted.
Also I've always felt that distribution is the problem, if you can call it that.
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