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[–] [email protected] 121 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I was watching a documentary about this. White guy who's been living in Japan for decades goes to dying villages, talks with the locals in Japanese, they complain about no one wanting to live in villages, declining house prices, no one to do the necessary jobs. He mentions it'd be nice to live in a village.

The look of fear. You wouldn't understand the culture, we have a certain way of doing things, ... yadayada.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 year ago (11 children)

I’ve been watching this channel about a Canadian couple moving to a little village in Japan. The locals have been very welcoming. They’re renting a home from a local who were apparently very happy to have them.

I’m sure small town attitudes happen. They happen everywhere. I’m just not sure Japan is uniquely bad.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

I watch them too. And there’s another similar channel of a single young (American, I think?) woman who’s doing the same thing. And again, the locals are very welcoming - I suspect this depends on whether the newcomers are making an effort to integrate, learn the language, etc.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Wasn't that a BBC article? The wording is very familiar as well the exact scenario.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Do you have a link or name to that docu?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sorry, no. Think it was something on NHK I watched several years ago.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Wouldn't have thought that NHL of all would portrait japanese people like that. Interesting.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think it’s this YouTube channel! (life where I’m from): https://youtu.be/LEh697_p79I

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Cool, thanks

[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

It’s probably a good thing in the long run. Like how the plague in Europe actually gave the serfs more rights. Since it gave the workers more leverage since there was more demand for workers than they were in supply.

Japan is overcrowded. Sure villages are bleeding dry, but in the cities people live in tiny apartments that cost too much. And lots of people do very meaningless soul crushing jobs for little pay, jobs that are already automated in the rest of the world. Like even a job that can be replaced by a simple sign. Seriously when I was in Japan I saw people at the station that were just pointing passengers towards the exit. And it wasn’t even an emergency situation, just a regular workday.

Sure a shrinking population is bad for the economy, but for the people it will mean that housing prices will go down and pay will go up and they will have more rights in the long run.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

That's true, and Japan does have a workers shortage, but unfortunately they are planning on meeting that worker shortage by building robots.

In fact they have already deployed robots in places like airports and restaurants. You can occasionally see them depending on where you go.

One thing I would like to refute however is that housing costs in Japan are quite low compared to the United States. You can buy a house in Tokyo for less than you can buy a one-bedroom apartment in New York or the Bay area. Houses in the countryside are way cheaper.

There are literally millions of vacant houses in Japan right now that are being maintained by family members or neighbors. They are literally boarded up and you can buy them for pennies. I was just in Japan a month ago and in one town near Tokyo, over 50% of the houses were vacant.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

But pay is not the same as in the US. Average wage in the US is 77k in Japan it’s 41k. Wages have been even more stagnant in Japan than in the US. Also Japan is in a unique situation. Nobody wants to live in an old home unless they have no choice, because Japan is an earthquake prone country. People only want to live in a home that’s build up to the latest building code. Otherwise people wouldn’t choose to live in tiny apartments. People rather live in a small new apartment than a larger old one, because they fear the old building is a death trap. Therefore rent and prices for relatively new homes are still high. And that’s also why, unlike the rest of the world, houses depreciate in value. And because houses depreciate they are maintained poorly. If you buy such a cheap house you need to raze it to the ground anyway and rebuild from the ground up, because the building is falling apart. Yes cheaper than in the US but you will most certainly lose a significant amount of money when you sell the home again. They are not investments in Japan.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

Re: that last sentence -- housing should never have become an investment in the first place.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I mean, increased worker productivity is good for maintaining quality of life and economic growth when the population shrinks. Other countries should adopt more robots.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

people at the station that were just pointing passengers towards the exit

This is actually one of the things I really like about Japan. It's so easy to miss a sign, or not be sure if this is the sign you should be following in your situation, or otherwise get confused in train stations, airports, etc.. Having an actual person there showing that yes, this is where you should be going, and even help you with questions if necessary, makes things that much simpler and more comfortable.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Seriously when I was in Japan I saw people at the station that were just pointing passengers towards the exit. And it wasn’t even an emergency situation, just a regular workday.

That's because in Japan, people like people showing them the way. In a society were social contacts are... Seldom, these small things remind them there are other actual people. And I get the sentiment and I'm pretty young in comparison with just over 30. Making that exact job anything but meaningless.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

I mean similar to how in the Western world we like to sit down at a table and have food brought to us, when we really could just get up and get it from the counter ourselves.

Service industry is exactly that. Serving people. Which can be expressed in lots of different ways in different cultures.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Japan’s underworld has not escaped unscathed either: a majority of yakuza are over 50 and there are now more gangsters in their 70s than in their 20s. Meanwhile, senior porn is a growing niche, populated by a handful of silver stars in their 60s, 70s and even 80s.

Do older people watch porn with older performers? I was under the impression that younger people are the object of gaze regardless of age.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

I think people like watching things they can relate to / fantasize about doing.

So i would think old people would enjoy watching old people, at least some of the time. Kinda like 30 something moms who are really into dad bods. Or all the milf porn some middle aged dudes like.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

the older i get the more i like mum tums

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Soldier Boy approves

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Nah. People’s preferences are varied and for lots of different reasons. That part made me smile, though.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

I'm going to make a few assumptions here, but my thought is that women in porn largely look like they're between the ages of 18 and 30. Men on the other hand look like they're 30-45 even when they're 'acting' like they're a lot younger.
Guys in porn are usually quiet and the focus is on the woman because we're supposed to be able to imagine ourselves as the guy. Kind of like the master chief. You aren't supposed to see his face because you are him.

These Japanese guys want bodies that resemble theirs more, so they can think of themselves in those positions easier.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Obviously you run into a lot of other issues with a sudden change but we are frankly pretty overpopulated and could use a decrease. It turns out that a system predicated on infinite population growth with finite resources can't be sustained forever. Especially with how finite they are in our case.

I think even worse than our population issues is the overcentralization though. SO much is based around Tokyo, the vast majority of jobs are located there, especially if you want any upwards mobility. It's even worse if you include areas like Chiba and Saitama as part of the greater Tokyo area. Even the other cities pale in comparison to opportunities in Tokyo. If people could spread out a bit more, it wouldn't be nearly as bad as it is now.

I was lucky enough to be able to move out of Tokyo last year thanks to my work. I am not in a super rural area but I definitely never want to go back to Tokyo if I can help it. I am in the mountains around Mt. Fuji, and get to work overlooking a spectacular view of the mountain. Don't have to deal with packing into crowded trains in the summer when everyone is dripping with sweat.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How's child care? Is that a thing?

In the states you pretty much need a $50k job just to cover daycare for 2 kids. And that's assuming your spouse covers food, housing, cars, etc

I don't know how most families afford more than 1 kid, if any, based on salaries/pay in the US

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Some prefectures offer free childcare services, but it depends a lot on where you live. Historically they aren't services that have been used a lot, there is something of a cultural expectation that you or your family watch kids. As an example, babysitters/nannies are basically unheard of unless it is a relative. My girlfriend's sister has a child and either the sister is home all day with the kid or her parents watch it; she even leaves in an prefecture with free daycare services.

There is a fairly decent maternity leave that most new mothers do end up using. There's an initial lump sum payment plus you get about 2/3 your salary for up to a year (I think those times are right). Paternity leave technically exists as well but I have never met anyone who has used it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I can help with that, if you like tips fedora /s

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Yamete kudasai!

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