It's so goofy ass that NATO thinks they could train an army on peer-to-peer war, something not seen by a NATO power since the Korean War. The US can't even beat an infinitely weaker enemy with complete control of the skies and drones piloted from the safety of Arizona, but they're the white saviours who are going to teach the Ukrainians how to use a gun.
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This is what happens when you start getting high on your own supply.
Even then it's so fundamentally absurd. The last time the enemy of a NATO power had a functioning plane was Vietnam and they're trying to explain how to fight against an enemy that more or less has air superiority. The only countries that should be advising them are Iraq and Afghanistan, and even then those militias seem quaint in the new era of small drones. What is a western veteran of those wars going to explain to them other than how to find the Burger King on base?
I hope they take no lessons and get even higher
I think that's exactly what is going to happen. We keep seeing articles like this always phrasing it as the "ungrateful Ukrainians dismissing superior NATO tactics" rather than admitting they have no clue what they're doing. Losing this war will be blamed 100% on Ukraine, they won't ever admit that their tactics were involved in the loss.
----Ungrateful brat Ukranians
Hardworking NATO strategists-----
Flak to basics.
I expect so as well, the impetus will be to spin this as all being the fault of Ukraine and to deflect blame from NATO, which means no actual lessons will be learned from any of this.
Ukrainians when the calipers are used on the Russians 
Ukrainians when the calipers are turned back on themselves 
Tfw the air strike app starts glitching out.
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When faced with an emergency, they sometimes find more help on YouTube.
Imagine being the largest military alliance in the world and the soldiers you trained find fucking YouTube tutorials more useful than your training.
why youtube tho, why not ask for help on the warthunder forums?
I mean that probably happened but there's a lot more to being a soldier than blasting than disabling a tank
Onetime, I asked a sargent what we were supposed to do if we were hit with a chemical weapon and had drained our canteens before we could get cleaned up. Specifically, how do we get the potable water out of the 5 gallon jerry cans into our canteens without killing ourselves seeing as how, we're out in the desert and all.
They didn't have an answer and were a bit upset that I even asked.
This is part of a wider problem. Even college courses do this shit.
I've long been the opinion that colleges award you a certificate which is further and further removed from actually understanding anything and it'd still be shocking to me if the rot has set in so much that it applies to soldiers
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Kinda makes sense though.
A lot of the "professional soldiers" are either kids trying to get some college money/first job or serving some required term. Nobody really gives a shit about soldiering, they're just there until they can move on to something else.
And the officers I had been around seemed more interested in paper pushing projects than battlefield readiness.
I was in heavy mechanized units and 99% of my time was spent turning a wrench on ancient vehicles (I was not a mechanic) or cleaning up oil/fuel spills. We didn't "train" for shit.
true
I wonder what they're looking up on YouTube that's useful for modern battlefield conditions.
Circa 2014 I found one of those crazy chud American doomsday preppers on YouTube that had somehow managed to make a ghillie suit which was invisible to thermal optics. I think he was planning to fight Obama/the land management authorities if they did something to his ranch? So maybe stuff like that.
Mylar backed camo pattern tarp with netting?
Yeah it was a space blanket/mylar, but to prevent themselves overheating from wearing the suit, they cut and layered it like scales on a fish, so that there could be airflow, then just normal ghillie suit stuff. At least that's what I remember.
That’s smart. Sounds like something I’d like to invest time into.
I think they also did some experiments with glass because the thermal optics can't see through it I think? Was pretty interesting
Thermal optics are picking up on Infra-Red radiation, yeah? I wonder if UV treated glass/plastic is what they were tinkering with...
I know if you're on the cheaper end of the tech spectrum wool blankets offer the same amount of thermal/IR immunity so for individuals it can offer short term cover - until the blanket heatsinks your body heat into it - and collective protection when used as a form of tarp in conjunction with camo netting and other natural camoflage.
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Yeah shit like that. Practical shit that could be universally learned so should we ever find ourselves in the shit we'll hopefully increase our own life expectancy.
HOI4 challenge videos.
I was thinking more "how to make decent trenches" or "how to avoid getting hit by artillery", or even stuff like "camouflage considerations against IR equipped opfor". Maybe quite a few videos for trying to figure out what random shit in their nato vehicles do so they don't do something silly like accidentally turn on the heater when you meant to disable the weapons safety feature.
Survivalist videos? How to avoid hypothermia/how to reduce your heat footprint to escape thermals/ how to clean and maintain your guns (many military weapons have identical civilian counterparts minus full auto), how to clean water in emergencies, how to identify edible plants/mushrooms.
Basic battlefield and squad tactics. How to make booby traps, tripwires, and traps. How to organize squads and advance/retreat.
Ironically the US military has some very good videos on YouTube for how to advance a squad, lay down covering fire, set up ambushes, effectively use different squad roles, and how to coordinate air and artillery forces. I’m sure there are plenty such videos for a wide range of topics.
Ironically the US military has some very good videos on YouTube for how to advance a squad, lay down covering fire, set up ambushes, effectively use different squad roles, and how to coordinate air and artillery forces. I’m sure there are plenty such videos for a wide range of topics
Oh I'm well aware of the official stuff and even the stuff made by non-professional veterans doing their civil war 2 larping, I'm curious about what specifics do the guys over in Ukraine are looking up since it would serve as a good barometer of what actually works in field conditions vs what works in theory. But that'd require me to dive into the Ukraine war pigs side of the internet and I don't want to inflict psychic damage on myself lmao.
and what language are the videos in?
Probably a mix of Russian, Ukrainian, and multi-lingual stuff.
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Of course they don't. NATO was never planning on fighting in an actual war with an enemy that can fight back.
I just don't think that's true, considering the history. I think it's just all their plans are, at best, for fighting 80s soviet russia and haven't been updated since
NATO plans against USSR were mostly about nuking everything that moved and bombing whatever still moved after. There wasn't really much direct fighting involved.
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Anyone have a way past the paywall? I tried internet archive but maybe I'm just dumb