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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)
  • Die in a few weeks? No
  • Get more users than reddit? No
  • Be a place in the long run for privacy minded people to escape corporatism and have discussions about any topic? Yes
[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Let's be real, most of the growth of Reddit over the last 5 or so years haven't been the type of folks generating good content and discussion anyway. Even if Lemmy gets like 1% of the userbase this place is going to thrive.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A large majority of the content posted there seems to be from bot accounts. No matter what you think Reddit's active userbase is, it is heavily inflated.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It was here before the Reddit implosion, will be after. Question is, will you be?

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

This place has existed for a lot longer than the last month.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

Mate, it wasn't just created. This site has been around for a while

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lemmy will last because it was already around. I don't think it will die in a few weeks. Today is my first day using it and I love it. I'm sure anyone who tries it will like it, too.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lemmy was here before Reddit and it’ll be around for a long time.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Presumably you mean Lemmy was here before the recent reddit implosion

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Correct. Good catch.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Hmmm the main question is whether it can get it's content to show up in search results - this being the main selling point of Reddit and other platforms.

Right now, if you help someone fix an issue it's pretty much walled in and unavailable.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

If lemmy can get the search algorithm to work well, it'll be good for a decent while I think... I hope for the sake of the internet everything needs to have some form of competition, and if Lemmy truly becomes the new reddit, hopefully we all learn what they did wrong and can make it better so that we as a collective have the best website/forum/memebase that's humanly possible

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Two things to bear in mind...

  1. Lemmy existed before this current reddit fiasco, so it will exist after

  2. there are a critical mass of users now, and imo the userbase will continue to grow, with more and more unique content added

  3. Android / iOS apps are out, and in development. Mod tools are coming (iirc). As fediverse becomes less technical / easier to use, it's only going to attract more people

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I think and hope the fediverse will thrive in the years to come. It's the only way for us users to keep control over the platforms we use and feed.

It's time for the healthier internet we deserve. Networks like Facebook and Twitter have pushed toxic content to their users solely on the purpose of creating engagement. The World would be a very different place if that content had been moderated correctly instead of being pushed toward suggestible population.

I won't go back.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Define "a few weeks"

The blackout started 12-06 which is 2 + weeks ago.

Lemmy and Kbin are still here and I see no sign of it slowing down. I see much more posts with more engagement which is a good thing.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't think Lemmy will ever get the mainstream attention that reddit has to get big celebrity AMAs, but that may be a good thing, if it stays a genuine place like it is currently, people will come.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Reddit already killed the big AMAs anyway, but I get what you're saying.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm leaning on content I've seen thus far but- If this becomes the place where content holds people, they will stay. To replace -the other site- Lemmy needs to be the place the general internet comes to for information and community questions. In this early stage people need to cement "this is where to come for answers" with regards to....everything. eli5, me-irl and even ask-reddit needs to come here. We joke about how Listicles hijack Reddit content but that's a sign of healthy creation at work. It gets the average non-reddit user conscious of the product and to come there when they have a question.

What needs to happen (if lemmy wants to replace Reddit) is lemmy needs that. It needs to enter the public conscience as an information nexus. To what degree is up for debate of each Instances admin. Beehaw straight said "nope"

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I don't think reddit is that important to warrant replacement. Should be building something new and better on top of its ruins.

But I agree, good original content by passionate people is what makes people stay.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Definitely will stay around, yet, realistically speaking, I don't have much expectations about this endeavor even scratching reddit's monopoly in the next 1 ~ 3 years (I hope I'm mistaken), who knows what will happen in 10 or 20

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Personal opinion: activity will spike around now, then plateau not much lower than its peak. It'll probably never be as popular as Reddit. I imagine most people will run into some minor inconvenience, then never try to use it again, and the rest of us will be here for years.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I guess a big spike is still ahead, which will be around Saturday, once the 3rd party reddit apps shut down for good.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

It depends on the growth curve. Right now it's exponential, which means it will keep growing. When you see it stay linear for a while, it'll probably start to flatten. At that point, it's either big enough to stick or it's not.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I think it's here to stay, and it makes me hopeful that we can get a somewhat mainstream version of the Internet as originally envisioned. The corpo hellscape we have right now is garbage.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I like it. It's not reddit and I like that about it most. I think it will stay and grow. I think we know what we don't want now and Lemmy could just be it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I don't think it'll die... but it is a community that needs to be built basically from the ground up, while both the Lemmy/fediverse backend technology and infrastructure are actively being developed. Reddit refugees who want a drop-in alternative to doomscroll will probably be the first to leave.

The success or failure will be determined by the number of people willing to make an effort to post. Whether Lemmy (or the fediverse in general) will exceed the numbers of other services... I doubt it, but we wouldn't be here if we only cared about numbers.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I’ll certainly be staying. I like it here so far!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

It will last. I plan to stay here. I hope everyone else does too. Even if Reddit totally went completely back to how it was, I deleted my account because I don't like their attitude. I also find the conversation better here. And it's all open source, which is always my preference.

Same with Twitter, I still use it to follow F1 drivers but that's it. 99% of my socials is done on Mastodon now as there are more people there who share my interests and it's open source.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I'm interested to see the outcome of Reddit, since I've been there for almost a decade, but I'm kinda liking the change to lemmy and I definitely don't support Reddit's decisions or direction. I think I'm going to stay here and delete my Reddit account once I see the results of the 30th

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

While everyone wants to constantly cry about it not being Reddit - the fact that people are flocking here hand over fist over the more direct 1 for 1 Reddit clones shows that people do understand that we need to go back to a more decentralized web. Even if this doesn't hit critical Reddit size mass, there's enough of us to keep each other company ❤️

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I’m having fun here and it’s scratching my online discussion itch. I’ve barely been back to Reddit and when Apollo dies I think I will not go back at all. 16 years on Reddit and almost 300K karma.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's been going for 4 years now. I think the worst case scenario is it falls back to the numbers it had before this reddit incident.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

The protest brought me here but I'm staying because I like it more.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It won't die in "a few weeks", simply because the likelihood of everybody abandoning ship in such a short timeframe is pretty much zero.

It will almost certainly become irrelevant after some years (we just don't know how many) because almost nothing remains relevant on the Net for more than a decade or two, though even "irrelevant" things still attract a few people so they rarelly "die".

Edit: Also and as a side note, I've actually been questioning just how many people needs to be around here for it to be a good place to be in. I don't think the "millions" of people of Reddit actually added to it and suspect that a few tens of thousand of users are enough for the place to feel interesting to be in and participate in, except perhaps in very obscure and niche subjects were you do need millions of people around for there to be a handful that are interested in such subjects.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think people will vent and quite a decent percentage will return to reddit eventually. Like it happened with twitter since Elon did his thing. But lemmy will stay. It has been here before all the people migrated from reddit and the fediverse in general will keep having a right to exist. And it will.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

AFAIK, Mastodon actually did gain a sizeable amount of users that actually stayed, even though the number of users has dropped since the peak.

I personally think something like Lemmy works better than Mastodon, since content is more important here than the users, which I think makes it more easy to have a self-sustaining community.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Lemmy has been around for quite a while, well before any of the recent issues. The userbase will probably die back once people get bored and go back to Reddit but some of us will still be here

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

We'll have to wait and see but I think this last issue with Reddit has given Lemmy enough of a boost that it will get the required amount of momentum.

It won't be long before a lot of the classic subs are reproduced over here and new users will be able to turn up and slot straight in and carry on doing what they were doing over there all pretty seamlessly.

It would be interesting to know what percentage of the most active posters made the jump as they are likely providing a much higher percentage of the content than the average user. It's those people that will really make a difference.

I also think having Fediverse alternatives to so much corporate social media and how well it cooperates with each other is also key. I am busy moving myself over to these services and I am liking what I see. It will always occupy a layer under the corporate one but that might be a good thing - like them act as the bullet magnet and let us just get in with things.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

It existed for years before reddit had its issue.

On the other side of the fediverse that's more like Twitter, Elon Musk pissed a bunch of people off and we've seen a few waves of new users. How it has worked is there's an inrush of people, some people go "Wait a minute, this isn't my old platform! I don't like it!" and go back, some people stick around.

Once people start to realize how friggin' cool the fediverse as a whole is, I think a bunch of people stay. Especially realizing that it takes all power away from corporate overlords and gives a lot of power to people who run their own instances.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I think it will grow some more when apps stop working on July 1, especially lemmy.world.

After that, we’ll see how erratic and Musk-esque the reddit leadership becomes.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Lemmy isn't going to "die" anytime soon, it has already been around for about 4 years now, it's not going anywhere..

Maybe activity will significantly slow down, maybe it will go back to being a super small community, but I don't see it completely getting killed anytime soon.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe, but I think that the branding of the "fediverse" + difficulty of use will make it unlikely to surpass reddit or any other alternatives. It will almost certainly still be around for years to come, but I doubt it'll be much more than niche, despite me hoping for the contrary.

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