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[-] JJohns87@readit.buzz 37 points 2 years ago

Learning about religion in school isn't necessarily a bad thing. We studied the major religions, Buddhism, pantheism, and to a lesser degree minor religions as a part of social studies in 7th grade. I think it was the first time anyone actually told me there were 'options' other than Christianity. More importantly, it helped me understand where others are coming from even though I don't share their faith. If it's approached from a purely educational standpoint I think religion does have a place in school - and I'm an atheist. We just shouldn't be presenting any of it as fact or "right" when it's all a matter of opinion, nor teaching them about any one specific religion and excluding others.

[-] HelixDab@kbin.social 26 points 2 years ago

...But that's not what Christian nationalists are working towards. They want to teach their religion, not teach about all religion.

[-] nostalgicgamerz@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Exactly basically what the poster above is talking about is the ideals of faith

MAGATS want to teach religion / organized religion

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[-] oshitwaddup@lemmy.antemeridiem.xyz 13 points 2 years ago

Teaching all religions is definitely important. Teaching that christian creationism is just as likely/plausible as evolution is a big problem

[-] MrDude@lemmy.fmhy.ml 11 points 2 years ago

As a Christian, I couldn't agree more! Let the kid learn about the different religious beliefs! I've been learning about otherreligionns and they are all pretty cool!

[-] SuddenDownpour@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

I'm against religion as an organized institution that influences the world on a daily basis, but fuck comparative mythology is cool as hell. Thanks to it we got Morrowind's amazing lore, since it was one of Kirkbride's fields of study in college.

[-] cedarmesa@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Maybe we should teach religion in schools under two contexts. Historical mythology (Made up stuff from the past people incorrectly believed in) and Current mythology (Made up stuff that people currently incorrectly believe in).

[-] cyberic@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 years ago

The question/problemmatic part about current stuff is who decides what counts as "current mythology". Even scientific doctrine is disproven (cause that's the best part about science).

Now, I totally see Historical mythology being a great class.

[-] cedarmesa@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

I mean, dude comes back from the dead, dude lives in the belly of whale, snakes talk, all animals on earth on a boat........Do we really need laboratories and Phd's to pore over these matters to call them mythology? I think science has more pressing matters to deal with rather than debunk fairytales. No?

[-] gabuwu@beehaw.org 23 points 2 years ago

It feels quite strange reading this as a Jewish person.

[-] Hive68@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 years ago

*Karl Marx The German Ideology Preface *

Hitherto men have constantly made up for themselves false conceptions about themselves, about what they are and what they ought to be. They have arranged their relationships according to their ideas of God, of normal man, etc. The phantoms of their brains have got out of their hands. They, the creators, have bowed down before their creations. Let us liberate them from the chimeras, the ideas, dogmas, imaginary beings under the yoke of which they are pining away. Let us revolt against the rule of thoughts. Let us teach men, says one, to exchange these imaginations for thoughts which correspond to the essence of man; says the second, to take up a critical attitude to them; says the third, to knock them out of their heads; and -- existing reality will collapse.

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[-] possum@lemmy.ml 23 points 2 years ago

Nothing against the meme, but boy do I hate wojacks. They're aesthetically unpleasing and something about them makes them obviously 4chan

[-] norawibb@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago

I like them because they have a consistent style and can represent so many types of people (strawmen)

[-] BigBootyBoy@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago

For me it's those stupid ass expressions

[-] notacat@lemmy.fmhy.ml 19 points 2 years ago

All that’s missing is the “You are here” pointer at the second to last step.

[-] FabledAepitaph@kbin.social 18 points 2 years ago

Yeah, it's ridiculous. American politicians literally swear on the bible as they assume office and then quote bible verses on the job and then they expect us to believe we're anywhere other than at that second from last step?

[-] CIWS-30@kbin.social 17 points 2 years ago

When step 2 intersects with capitalism, all the other stuff just naturally follows. Sure there are people who legitimately want to help people (read an article about 2 Christians giving up their high paying jobs to spend their time making affordable housing for the poor and indigenous people) but they're increasingly becoming the minority.

That said, money based religions are only one oppressive group that bands together for profit and control. Religions aren't much different than political parties (hence the smashup between many) and corporations, organized crime, etc.

Human nature, rather than being inherently good, tends to be inherently bad. Hence why most giant groups tend to be oppressive by nature. It's why I believe that there shouldn't be giant concentrations of wealth and power.

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[-] help@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 years ago

This, but unironically

[-] argv_minus_one@beehaw.org 13 points 2 years ago

I was taught about Islam in social studies, and I don't remember anybody trying to force me to obey Islamic law at any point.

I don't know whether there is a slippery slope, but I do know this isn't an accurate description of it.

[-] Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social 23 points 2 years ago

Person: here is generally how this thing has gone throughout history

You: my individual experience doesn't match this, therefore you are completely wrong

Come on, dude, read a book.

[-] lupuspernox@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago

He never said that they were "completely wrong". Just casting doubt/sharing thoughts. Regardless, freedom of/from religion has only gotten better in the west for the last few hundred years. Please don't let a few crazies in the US determine your perspective on an entire religion.

[-] argv_minus_one@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago

Throughout history, most people didn't go to school at all, let alone get taught about other religions (other than “if anyone claims to believe this, kill them”).

[-] A_Very_Big_Fan@lemm.ee 21 points 2 years ago

There are some states passing laws mandating "in god we trust" be placed somewhere prominent in the school. There's an argument to be made that by doing this, the states are mandating that education systems must promote the the idea of the Bible and it's claims being true.

[-] argv_minus_one@beehaw.org 5 points 2 years ago

That goes a tad beyond merely teaching kids about religions.

[-] Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social 9 points 2 years ago

that'sthepoint.jpg

[-] Deceptichum@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago

Were you taught in a predominantly Islamic country?

[-] argv_minus_one@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago

The United States, so no.

[-] Hive68@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 2 years ago

Karl Marx The German Ideology Preface

Hitherto have constantly made up for themselves false conceptions about themselves, about what they are and what they ought to be. They have arranged their relationships according to their ideas of God, of normal man, etc. The phantoms of their brains have got out of their hands. They, the creators, have bowed down before their creations. Let us liberate them from the chimeras, the ideas, dogmas, imaginary beings under the yoke of which they are pining away. Let us revolt against the rule of thoughts. Let us teach men, says one, to exchange these imaginations for thoughts which correspond to the essence of man; says the second, to take up a critical attitude to them; says the third, to knock them out of their heads; and -- existing reality will collapse.

I will never not quote this when people moan about antitheism

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