i don't defend targeted ads since they are bad (i use uBlock)

but what monetization system is a bit more ethical than targeted ads but can last unlike donations

how would you solve that issue

My Opinionwell it is make that there are version which you own but if you pay for 1 the one after it you pay again for that new version but with a small discount

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I think it would be nice to have a payment platform where I set aside a fixed amount per month, and I can divide it among as arbitrarily many creators, maintainers, and admins as I want, and I can easily add payees as I find people I want to support, however little I have to pitch in. I would even be happy to give a small slice of the monthly to the maintainers of the payment platform.

I know just enough about payment processors to know that this would be a significant pain to implement and run, and would be a continuous target for scams and other malfeasance. I have thought a fair amount about how to implement something like this and I still don't know how I'd do it. But I think it would be nice if it existed.

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  • I really like KDE’s “donate to get yourself added to a program’s credits” idea.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    This answers so obvious: All of us are already giving a full 1% of our income directly to Wikipedia and VLC. ...right guys?!

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  • [–] 5 points 1 day ago

    Microdonations, I don't feel one person consumes that much server resources (I FEEL I don't know, the rest of the message lives off of this assumption) So like if you have 100.000 users paying 0,50 cents a month you have 50,000usd to pay for server costs, maybe it is expensive but I have a feeling it doesn't cost 50k a month to support 100k users (talking more about lemmy or some social media like app not a live service for something like a videogame)

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  • [–] 42 points 2 days ago (4 children)

    Non-targeted ads can also be an option.

    You buy a fixed space on a certain page for a period of time and pay the owner. The way it worked in the early days of the internet.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    Imagine if ads were related to the content of the page? Like, if I look up a webpage about video games, and get ads for... Video Games? I made the mistake of looking up a particular eGPU a while ago, and now when I'm looking up kayaks online, I get ads for eGPUs.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 day ago

    Image if the browser would automatically temporarily save what topics the current page was about and then only send that list to the advertisers to retrieve an image.

    Almost like the Topics API Google proposed.

    Or we generate a small enough tag that represents those topics to a cohort almost like Googles FLoC proposal.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 day ago*

    I remember this from some torrent sites that were using this well past everyone else moving on to spyware ads. Obvious choice there, you don't want spyware on such a site if you're trying to be reputable and tons of users are going to use adblockers and javascript blockers which affects syndicalized ads, but not necessarily oldschool ads.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago

    I pay for the services I use.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago

    I've been thinking about this for a bit and best I have is a vague idea about using a model similar to cable tv but instead of a fixed amount of "channels" aka websites, the sites themselves can choose to be vetted and added to a list of sites under an umbrella org. The purpose of the umbrella org would be to vet and license or similar the websites to ensure they're not predatory, meet certain advertising strictures, ensure against enshittification, etc. You pay a subscription fee to the umbrella org and in turn they help ensure a better internet.

    Not a great idea or very fleshed out but some kind nd of circle of trust would be awesome. Keep sites focused on what they want to be. Advertise relevant to the content. Site get funded via the umbrella subscriptions.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 day ago* (2 children)

    feddit.org is hosted by the Fediverse Foundation, a volunteer based nonprofit organization in Austria. They also run other instances on Mastodon for example.

    When feddit.de crashed down after the Admin went to North Korea for a business trip, the community decided to build feddit.org on stronger shoulders.

    This way we have multiple people and admins, a shared infrastructure instead of a server in somebodies basement, a legal entity that is stronger than a private person and much more. It is of course based on voluntary donations, but as far as I know, they are covered.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    When feddit.de crashed down after the Admin went to North Korea for a business trip, the community decided to build feddit.org on stronger shoulders.

    Woah, I feel like you skipped out on some big details there. What happened? Or is there a post with some more details?

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  • [–] 23 points 2 days ago (4 children)

    Probably a lot more subscription based stuff. People don't flinch about spending $50-$100 on their phone subscription but email, which is equally important, people expect it to be free from places like Google.

    I don't want to be that person and bring up this argument which isn't answering your question but does big tech need to be funded? There is great open source alternatives to most big tech which are either ran by volunteers or funded by donation. They would be so much better supported if big tech alternatives did not exist.

    Big tech selling hardware would still be funded that way. Apple, Lenovo, etc etc would be similarly funded. Microsoft sells licenses to their operating system.

    I would argue the world would be a much better place if big tech wasn't funded and open source projects were king.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    The code might be open source, but the infrastructure it runs on needs to be paid for somehow

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  • [–] 6 points 1 day ago

    Yep. I took OP's question to be about big tech. If business isn't using it, you can't get too big.

    Look at MS and all the people around here predicting their downfall because they personally switched to Linux and the Xbox division is suffering. Y'all, 85-90% of Microsoft's profits are corporate Windows and Office. The rest is fluff. LOL, they long ago dropped resistance to pirating and I've paid them zero pennies over 30-years of using Windows for personal use.

    On infra though, we sysadmins had predicted another wave of business bringing compute and storage back inhouse. Despite the stunning charges from AWS and the like, that doesn't look to ever happen. Wierd.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 day ago

    Yeah, subscriptions and donations would have to be more than what is now. But distributed and federated systems and not chasing profitability at corporations would go a long way to running systems. Lemmy for example can be an alternative to Reddit while running off of hobbyist and donarion run servers. Gmail probably costs a fortune but what about 100,000 small independent email servers taking its place? Email is already a federated system. And then there's self hosting. I bought a second hand computer and run the equivalent of Google Photos for myself and others on it for very cheap. Putting all these together, and if these were the default and more supported, the infrastructure costs can be spread thin.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 day ago

    I want to preface this with saying I 100% prefer open source to closed source. That said I’m not sure open source without closed source would be as good simply because I think that open source would just inherently be even more fractured than it is now. Choices are good but too many choices are bad.

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    Yes but you still need to build the new from within the shell of the old.

    If you end Capitalism without anything to replace it, people will just recreate it because that is what they are already accustomed to do.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 days ago (2 children)

    Donations - regular is also fine, it doesn't have to be one time

    No one should be locked out of software becauee they can't pay

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  • [–] 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

    Something that I saw royal road was they only accepted Ads from other authors. Which led to some fanstatic MS Paint ads trying to get people to look at their books.

    We could do silly stuff from the fediverse to "fund" each service. The more human made the better. Could be fun to get a MS Paint looking lemmy/piefed ad.

    Id put a 20 in a shitty paint piefed ad. That can only be shown if you click the "I want ads please" in the settings lol.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 day ago

    I actually ran into this European initiative earlier which aims to help fund public European social media, maybe something like this could help?

    From the little research I did it seems this isn’t necessarily for the Fediverse, but the funding could be used for it from my understanding. I’m curious what others think of this.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 days ago

    Many big tech initiatives in the fediverse are funded via nlnet grants. I think they have one open specifically for pairs made up of an artist and technologist to promote content creation currently, but they open fairly regularly.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 days ago*

    Buying applications and subscriptions to services are definitely an option, but you need to find ways to keep transaction costs low (e.g. a 10 cent payment should still mostly go to the people who make the software/website/service, not the payment infrastructure), keep it as private as possible, which is a difficult issue to solve in itself, and prevent centralization.

    We still need ways to provide access to people who genuinely can't pay though, which might be where this truly fails. Some people are just that poor, and some people get unlawfully debanked.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    Nonprofits with public earnings and expenditure records sustained by government funds and donations maybe? Idk

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  • [–] 5 points 2 days ago*

    Donations, or if that doesn't end up working in the long run (even though it is definitely working as far as I can tell because we have numerous instances and platforms already), I guess you could switch to a subscription model, but I think that'd put a lot of people off.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 day ago

    A self sustaining endowment, courtesy of a few headless billionaires

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago

    Fundraising drives. Pair time and money provided to the ability to shape policy, in part to allow for vested members to have a say in the community.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago

    Maybe opting in for the types of targeted ads you are okay with being exposed to but not personally targeted ads?

    So maybe I’m okay with opting in for ads about video games or movies in my primary language, but I personally would not opt-in for ads for gambling sites. Also, I’m okay with advertiser knowing their ad went to someone that opted in to see that genre of ads, but not tying that ad data to specific individuals because that’s weird.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago

    unpopular in some circles, one could sell user generated content

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