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[–] 25 points 1 day ago

I read about the displaced wildlife. This is really horrific. Their government should ban Google from the country, take back their land and make them pay to reforest. Fuck Google. I was a little complacent with my Gmail but I'm done. This is just fucking awful. In this state of global warming these assholes ripped up a whole forest. Fuck them.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 day ago

    The government knew this was coming when they approved the data center. This is purely theatrical outrage. Those Representatives have been bought and paid for.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 day ago

    It’s only illegal if you do something about it.

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  • [–] 37 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    Fine them $1 Billion per tree, AND they have to pay to replace every single tree at its market value for it's age.

    Once that's all done, then they can request permission to build a new data center, which will be declined. Fuck Google.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 day ago

    I used to work in a municipality that had a fee of $2000/caliper inch for illegally removed trees and placed a conservation easement over the critical root zone, preventing the developers from being able to just cut down the tree and pay the fee.

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    [–] 2 points 1 day ago

    Fuck you Pichai, you fucking banchode.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 day ago

    I bet their politicians allow it to happen.

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  • [–] 50 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 child)

    Last week, Google’s Finland country manager, Antti Järvinen, apologised for the forest clearings but claimed the company had acted “on the best understanding we had of the legislation at the time”.

    That understanding being "it's more profitable to just do it and pay the fine"

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  • [–] 30 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 child)

    This is a nasty thing to do without proper permits and I fully support Google getting slapped for it. For a country who has practically relied on forestry for 100+ years, the native Finnish subcontractors that everyone uses for these things are surprisingly bad at doing it properly. Last year another company casually crushed over some protected freshwater pearl mussels while doing cuts -- which was enviromentally speaking actually a much worse thing than what Google did this year. Nobody outside of Finland probably heard about it though, because there was no "big evil company" involved.

    The final responsibility is still Google's though, of course, but those subcontractors really should have more sense and understanding in what they're doing.

    All that said, let's calibrate the magnitude of this disaster. They felled 300-400 hectares of commercial forest. That's about 0.06% of the annual forest harvest in Finland.

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  • [–] 39 points 2 days ago (3 children)
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    [–] 93 points 2 days ago (17 children)

    So I assume just a minor fine and some angry words?

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  • [–] 69 points 2 days ago (13 children)

    Knowing Finland's governments, it won't be even those. They'll more likely take Google's side and tell the population how it's a price we must pay for being competitive, and how we need these foreign corporations raping Finnish nature to create jobs and shit. No European bougie gives a shit about the countries they lead or the populations they claim to represent.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    There's a datacentre being planned in Skellefteå I think and this is exactly what's being said. "It'll bring 4000 jobs" like fucking what? Will they have 4000 people standing there caressing the circuits or something? Get fucking real. 🙃

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  • [–] 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    Yeah, they're building one in my home town atm. They talk a big talk how this shit is beneficial for everyone, how our electrical grid is "one of the most stable in Europe", how this shit will bring more jobs. Lies, lies, more lies. That's all the bougies know how to do. They just fucking lie.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    Yeah. It's the same here. They're building it in the north because the electricity is cheaper and there are fewer people that'll complain. It's the same reasoning why they're building them out in the desert in the U.S., fewer people and a local government that's easier to bribe.

    The proponents are all "we're going to need this compute power in the EU too!" right so let's buy it when it's hideously inflated in the middle of a bubble. Fucking fivehead.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 day ago

    Yeah it's absurd. A horribly flawed, inefficient attempt by the politicians to claw back some semblance of relevance on a global stage, while serving their own class interests. Just throw more money at the problem, that should fix it. What do you mean the energy grid collapsed?

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    [–] 50 points 2 days ago* (3 children)

    The "move fast, break things" shtick. They mean laws with it. Worst case, you pay a fine.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 days ago (2 children)

    If the world was a just place they'd pay a fine and pay to have new trees planted where the old ones where removed. Anything short of that is simply the cost of doing business.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    You're not wrong, but Google didn't just take the trees. They stripped the topsoil:

    After the tech company illegally stripped the entire area to build a datacentre – taking even the top soil with it – all that remains is a vast expanse of mud indented with the trail marks of machinery, puddles and mounds of earth, roots and branches.

    Wonder why. Wouldn't have anything to do with making sure Google could not be ordered to replant the illegally felled trees, I'm sure.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago (1 child)

    So then remove the data center once it's built. Tit for tat.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    Each tree is priceless, and the forest is more than the sum of its parts.

    Expropriate Google's assets to make up for some of the loss.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 days ago*

    There should be criminal investigations over that and prosecution of Google employees or their contractors, whoever was operating in Finland (and someone had to). If that was indeed all legal, than laws need to be changed.

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  • [–] 36 points 2 days ago (3 children)
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    [–] 27 points 2 days ago

    'See when you're rich, they let you do it".

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  • [–] 32 points 2 days ago (14 children)

    All because normies can't take it upon themselves to do any research and change search engines and stop using google products...we gave them this power.

    I hate people.

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  • [–] 77 points 2 days ago (7 children)

    Individual action as a way to effect change or "voting with your dollar" is a myth that these large corporations benefit from. Sure, we should stop using their services, but you're never going to convince people to individually give things up in the hundreds of millions.

    You gotta force legislators into actually doing their jobs, and failing that, burn down the fucking data centers.

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    [–] 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (8 children)

    “When will these Fins rise up and do something? Don’t they see what is happening and they are just sitting around doing nothing. They voted for this.”

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