I was thinking about the phrase 'The pot calling the kettle black'. It comes from a time where cooking was done over open fires and cookware would become visibly ashy. (Fun fact: It first appears and was perhaps coined by Cervantes in Don Quixote!)

What are some other idioms that have lost their literal connection to time? What would be a good modern replacement?

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[–] 3 points 6 hours ago (1 child)

In my home country they say "Cheap as Onions" (eq in English : Cheap as Dirt)

Looking at the prices on Onions nowadays ...

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  • [–] 3 points 6 hours ago (1 child)

    A stitch in time saves nine.

    This refers to a time when clothes were hard to come by and often homemade. If they tore, a small tear could be fixed with one stitch of needle and thread, but if let go too long, it would take many more stitches to repair a bigger rip.

    Change your oil (or tires) in time, or change your car.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 hours ago

    went from hell and back, obviously it has a very christiany origin to it as is moving heaven and earth.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 hours ago

    "pot calling the kettle steel" just doesn't have the same ring to it.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 hours ago* (3 children)

    Eating a dead horse - not unless you buy the budget beef mince at Tesco

    Read like rabbits - rabbits can't read or even hold books

    Nip it in the butt - that's sexual assault, you're not allowed to do that any more

    Get down off your high horse - you're not allowed to get animals high either

    Kids should be shorn and not herd - goats have hair, not wool, and can't be shorn. Their natural tendency to herd is a difficult behaviour to break.

    Under the weather - unless you're a pilot you're going to be under the weather most of the time

    A blessing in the skies - unless your bishop is a pilot too, that's not going to happen.

    Fight off more than you can chew - I don't know where to start with this one,

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  • [–] 30 points 23 hours ago (7 children)

    Oh, man, when it comes to nautical idioms, I could go on all day. There are so many, and they've lost their literal connections so thoroughly, you probably don't even think of some of them as idioms. A few that occur to me immediately:

    • taken aback (wind on the wrong side of the sails)
    • give a wide berth (extra space for a vessel to maneuver)
    • leeway (unwanted downwind slippage of the vessel when in motion)
    • above board (on deck, the board being the section of the hull running fore and aft just above the water line)
    • onboard (to load onto the deck of the ship)
    • go by the board (to fall off of the ship into the water, passing the board on the way)
    • hand over fist (two-handed motion to pull in sails, ropes, etc. as quickly as possible)
    • high and dry (above the tide line)
    • loose cannon (a gun insufficiently secured would cause havoc on a warship when fired, or as the ship rolled in waves)

    Honestly, I'm not sure that I want modern equivalents, since many are so rich in imagery.

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  • [–] 2 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

    Honestly, I'm not sure that I want modern equivalents, since many are so rich in imagery.

    I do love the imagery of "loose Canon", and by "love" I mean that as it's been described and depicted, it's a truly horrifying situation. So it makes for a really visceral image.

    A quick aside: there's this murder mystery/logic puzzle game called "the Return of the Obra Dinn" that takes place on a merchant ship. The game is basically like a series of still frame dioramas that you have to analyze and figure out what's going on. There's a particularly striking scene with a cannon which breaks loose from its chains and several unfortunate sailors. It took me a long time to actually find the third sailor in the scene... (There wasn't a lot left)

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  • [–] 8 points 17 hours ago (1 child)

    I don't think it's the char/open fire but rather that both pot a d kettle would be made of the same black cast iron

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  • [–] 5 points 16 hours ago (1 child)

    I love head over heels as, in love.

    It's vice versa that makes actual sense, but that was considered too obviously risqué in the age the phrase was coined.

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  • [–] 88 points 1 day ago (5 children)

    "Avoiding things like the plague" because people did not actually seem to want to avoid the plague last time around.

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    [–] 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (9 children)

    All the horse ones because we don't use horses anymore. There a ton of them.

    Don't look a gift horse in the mouth. Who tf gets a gift horse?

    Saddle up. Who tf has a saddle?

    Hold your horses. Who tf has horses to hold?

    Get off your high horse. Who tf has a high horse?

    Beat a dead horse. WTF.

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  • [–] 1 point 15 hours ago

    Don’t look a gift horse in the mouth. Who tf gets a gift horse?

    A buddy in college accidentally said “gifted horse“. Then his girlfriend said “very much so” and we never let him hear the end of it

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    [–] 4 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

    Not quite updating, but in my house we say "like sweeping the yard" to indicate that something is pointless and wasting time.

    "Boss has us doing obviously pointless busy work today"

    "Yeah, next he'll be having us sweep the yard!"

    Or derogatorily:

    "I want you to go do that thing."

    "Sure, you want me sweep the yard when I'm done?"

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  • [–] 9 points 23 hours ago (1 child)

    I always thought of that idiom as the pot (something generally cast iron and not polished) calling the kettle (something that is polished and therefore reflective) black.

    Being that the pot sees itself in the reflection, but calls the kettle that as a derogatory thing, unknowing of it's personal alignment.

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  • [–] 1 point 13 hours ago

    I think that the phrase is so old that the difference between a pot and a kettle might have been fairly subtle differences in shape, but both would be black cast iron.

    Which is nowhere near as profound as your interpretation.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    whats the point of a modern replacement? idioms connect us across time and when they really have not modern sense (which there is enough understanding of cookware I don't think we hit that with pot and kettle) then it becomes an interesting backstory.

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    [–] 8 points 1 day ago

    I assumed the idiom was from a time when all cookware was made of cast iron.

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  • [–] 38 points 1 day ago (7 children)

    Don't put the cart before the horse.
    Don't submit your post before you write it.

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    [–] 54 points 1 day ago (21 children)

    "Have your cake and eat it too" doesn't really make sense. Cake is not rare or expensive enough that simply possessing it feels good. If you have cake, all you want is to eat it.

    The italian version, "you want a full barrel and drunk wife" illustrates the same situation much more clearly.

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