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[–] 112 points 5 days ago (44 children)

Who on Linux is going to consent to Microsoft telemetry on their machine?

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  • [–] 39 points 5 days ago (2 children)

    You know... Morons.

    "I install the malware to protec me from malware"

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  • [–] 39 points 5 days ago

    It’s just gonna be part of security audit theater. “Prove your organization is [x] compliant.”

    IT: you have to use windows so we can add your computer to intune

    Developer: no

    IT: Microsoft pls

    Microsoft: Ok it’s on Linux now, that’ll be another seat license for clamav wrapped in our logo or something

    IT: omg we’re so secure

    Auditing company: omg they’re so secure

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  • [–] 65 points 5 days ago (10 children)

    IT departments that need to check the box thats says "does your organization have antivirus or anti malware protection on all desktops?". Common in soc audits and cyber insurance attestations.

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    Yeah but clamav doesn’t have “a centralized dashboard with mdm and intune integration” e.g. a spreadsheet that says when everyone’s last scan was and that their definitions are up to date so the security theater can exist. Not to worry, more likely than not this is just built on a mountain of open source software like clamav that’s probably MIT licensed so MS can slap their logo on it and charge for it

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  • [–] 5 points 5 days ago (2 children)

    “does your organization have antivirus or anti malware protection on all desktops?”

    Talk about suggestive question phrasing. Where better organisational security could often be accomplished by assuming every device attached to the network is a potential threat, and focusing on the network security, shielding devices against each other with only whitelisted protocols, plus locking down all devices that are configured by corporate IT.

    Practical IT security in most orgs these days is "configure a big firewall with default settings from corporate provider, assuming everything is safe inside." then they get one compromised device (USB stick, cell phone transfer, exploit, whatever) and the whole ass network is fucked. and they have a "oh well, we did everything we can" excuse. fucking BS.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 days ago (1 child)

    Complicate requirement are kind of out of date. They keep adding requirements to them but then don't often take them away. So if a requiment made sense 20 years ago it's still there even though there are better strategies to protect your environment.

    You could skip a requiment if you can establish a compensatinh control and show that the threat the requirements is intended to address is addressed. For example skipping antivirus by reimagining the devices every morning, this is an absurd example but would work.

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  • [–] 20 points 5 days ago (10 children)

    Same people who use Microsoft Edge on Linux.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 days ago (2 children)

    On their own machine, maybe not. On their employer's machine, maybe if the employer demands it.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 days ago (1 child)

    I didn’t realize businesses used Linux. Every place I’ve worked it’s been windows and Chrome/Edge.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 days ago

    It's mostly Windows of course. But some people in those companies may prefer to use Linux, and this gives a them a higher chance of being allowed to do so. I for one am running Linux in a company that's increasingly pushing for Microsoft stuff.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 days ago (11 children)

    People agree to Google telemetry on their Linux phones.

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  • [–] 34 points 4 days ago (1 child)

    They want to scan all of my files. They can go fuck themselves.

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  • [–] 47 points 5 days ago (1 child)

    I use a Linux desktop for work. My employer is constantly threatening to replace it with a mac "so they can control it". Their main control point is microsoft defender. I would rather have defender on my work machine than be forced to use a mac.

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  • [–] 34 points 5 days ago (1 child)

    People will scoff at this but speaking from experience Defender is a very good AV if you are using MS Windows. MS has a vested interest in keeping their flagship OS safe.

    Putting it on Linux though? No . Fucking. Way .

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  • [–] 21 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

    It's one of the few things they ever got right.

    E: I should also say that the release of Defender was devastating to my "house doctor" PC services side-hustle. E2 XP SP1 out also rocked my profits - that RPC vuln was a gold mine

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  • [–] 2 points 3 days ago

    Lolno. Not happening on any of my machines.

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    I wonder if there will be a libre version of this. Somehow use just the database with an open source version with no telemetry

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  • [–] 4 points 4 days ago*

    It'll most likely be used immutables more than anything. Which is shit for me because I fucking love Ubuntu.

    See I am the key to bad things happening!!!!

    I switch to Ubuntu because windows slows down my ram speed and then windows goes and adds its security into it and makes it so that they're part of the OS no matter what.

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  • [–] 12 points 5 days ago*

    I was going to say something but clammed up

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  • clamav works fine on my mums laptop.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 days ago

    ah the tech onion

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  • [–] 7 points 4 days ago

    And it'll probably feel 150% faster compared to Windows. Just like Edge. lol

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  • [–] 6 points 4 days ago

    They can now ditch the dumpster fire of an OS that is Windows and lobby for the adoption of a corporate choke-point on Linux while continuing to bludgeon the remaining bits of your dignity and soverignity. At least this could be so for enterprise Linux.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 days ago (8 children)

    Mildly related: I might try to convince my job to let me use Linux come device refresh time. But we use all Microsoft stuff. Is support for Teams, OneDrive, etc reliable on Linux? I have, of course, avoided it like the plague for personal use so I don't know. Is anyone else in a similar situation?

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    Why do we need defender if red hat exists?

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