Though the jury’s still out on the most effective solution, one thing is clear: harsher prison sentences for drunk drivers don’t translate to fewer DUI offenders on the road.

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[–] 2 points 1 hour ago

if transit didn't just fucking stop before bars close that's probably help.

as much as I love Seattle's light rail (best transit project in the country!) it sucks to have to, for example, leave furry night at CCs early if I want to catch the light rail back home

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  • Fuck no. This article's alternatives suggest the police violate everyone's rights just because some asshole murdering addicts drive drunk.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 hours ago

    Revoke their license for six months the first time, then indefinitely the second time.

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  • [–] 7 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

    But how can they drive from behind bars? Also, why let them get a driving license ever again?

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  • [–] 3 points 9 hours ago

    DING DING DING. WINNER WINNER WINNER.

    Yea driving is a privilege, we stopped treating it as such. We treat it like its a divine right. There are a whole lot of people that dont need a drivers license. Multiple DUIs, reckless driving, multiple accidents i mean we could really just start yoinking them for anything. We use to be pretty strict about pulling it after multiple speeding tickets.

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  • [–] 3 points 13 hours ago

    Yeah, well, they get released after a few months. And then they buy or get a car and drive without a license... And in some places lacking good mass transit, driving without a license actually makes logistical sense (although is simultaneously terrible idea because when you get caught you're fucked).

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  • [–] 2 points 14 hours ago (5 children)

    Unpopular opinion...but, I think mandatory interlock devices should be installed in all vehicles, the same way seatbelts are. Get behind the wheel, and you can't even start the car unless you blow under the legal limit. Period.

    The problem with most drunk driving incidents is the person driving is often too impaired to realize they shouldn't be driving. They aren't making an informed decision...they're drunk.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 hours ago

    The main issue with this is that the interlock devices fucking suck and break constantly. We just tolerate it because convicted drunk drivers aren’t exactly a politically popular group.

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  • [–] -2 points 9 hours ago (1 child)

    people arguing against this are honestly fucking insane or just straight up astroturfing

    It's not surveillance, it's not nanny state holy shit, it's preventing people from KILLING OTHERS

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  • [–] 1 point 9 hours ago

    out of curiosity... why do you think cars are so expensive? are you planning on getting rid of all the older cars? Heres a plan we could only release expensive cars with lots of features and throw away all the old cars, so people are forced to buy the new ones! We could call it regulatory capture in capitalism!

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  • [–] 35 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    Is jail a deterrent or a punishment?

    I firmly believe the justice system should be about rehabilitation, but clearly it is actually about punishment.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 day ago

    its a deterrent AND a punishment in its current form sadly.

    And mny people use its status as both to justify its most draconian methods. They say that since prisons keep dangerous people like jeffrey dahmer away from the innocent public this justifies ALL the harsh things we do to ALL criminals. Even the non-violent criminals who were abused as children.

    prison time should clearly be about rehabilitation, AND deterrence through protecting the public from unfixable phychopaths but we can clearly see how it isnt about these factors today seeing as how most of the people from the Epstein Files are out and about, most pedophiles grt a slap-on-the-wrist jail sentences, nost of the peoplw who have partaken in thr Palestinian and Sudanese Genocide will probably not be jailed , and most prisons resort to draconian means that if you asked a psychologist about them theyd say these would not rehabilitate a person at all.

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  • [–] 8 points 20 hours ago (1 child)

    Jair isn't the best deterrent for any offense.

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  • It's not supposed to be a deterrent. It's supposed to be a place for rehabilitation.

    You're not supposed to be able to leave prison until after you've received sufficient hours with a therapist to make you fully understand the harm you've caused others, empathize with the victims, and decided to correct your ways

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  • [–] 28 points 1 day ago (6 children)

    Seems competent public transport and walkable areas would help by enabling people with options to not have you drive home from the bar.

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  • [–] 6 points 20 hours ago (1 child)

    What I don't understand is why bars can even have parking lots, it's like the expectation is to drive there, drink and then drive home.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    Tax alcohol sales and earmark it for public transportation. Use late night busses, espically on non 24 hour Rail metro routes

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  • [–] 3 points 23 hours ago (1 child)

    Further, don't punish people that drove in and made the smart choice to leave their vehicle over night. Not sure how to properly police that, but rarely is parking free, so maybe just make it a 24 hr thing rather than some hourly shit that costs money up front and a ticket on the back.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 hours ago

    They shouldn't tow cars from bars for 48 hours so you can go back and get it. Or you tell the bar you're gonna come back for it and they make a note then trig legally can't tow it or they become liable for drunk driving

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  • [–] 4 points 19 hours ago

    Auction off their cars.

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  • [–] 5 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

    I know, let’s take their drivers license. That’ll get them ….. driving with no insurance and more likely to run rather than stop

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  • [–] 10 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

    almost as smart as letting them continue to drive after demonstrating the poor impulse control that got them in trouble in the first place.

    roadside executions? lop off a finger every time they're caught? a whole bunch of bad ideas, but letting them continue to terrorize the world doesn't seem like a smart tract...

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  • [–] 10 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    I would have more faith in this if it wasn't on a drug rehabilitation center's website and if it referenced more than one study that's now old enough itself to drink.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 hours ago

    The drug rehabilitation center that got bought by the PE company, that sells the devices and services to law enforcement probably. Those little blow devices are big business! We get the same amount of drunk drivers, the state gets an extra revenue line, and a few companies get incredibly rich. Yay crony capitalism and regulatory capture.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 day ago (5 children)

    Maybe after a certain number of convictions you're henceforth required to drive the Nerf Car. It's a modified golf cart wrapped in arrays of bumpers and padding on all sides. Painted in bright primary colors. It can't go more than 8 mph and is literally incapable of damaging anything.

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  • [–] 2 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (3 children)

    I actually like this. Its like how we castrate pdedophiles after enough convictions.

    If you keep on showing that cant use a privelege that youve been given to do good? Then why should you get to be given that privilege to do anything at all?

    Edit: You can type 'PEDOPHILES' here.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 day ago (10 children)

    That doesn't surprise me, I got a second after spending 7 days in jail for the first.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 day ago (9 children)

    OK. So what did you change and what solutions would you offer politicians wanting to address this problem without getting kickbacks from the prison industry?

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