you have to build transit and infrastructure to take cars off the road, we can't magically move into dense urban housing that either doesn't exist or is being hoarded so nobody can afford it. degrowth doesn't mean you don't make anything while degrowthing.

To solve this you have to abolish capitalism. We can quibble over the need to pathologize Americans, but the important point is that this so-called pathology simply reflects the logic of value production and capitalism more broadly.

Capitalism is essentially the production of surplus-value. This can never ever change so long as we have capitalism. Degrowth is incompatible with the requirement to expand value. Our relationship with nature is extremely fucked (obviously) and the only way to fix that is with careful, conscious management and wind-down of the global economy. That is possible only in a society capable of conscious and planned economy, an economy designed for production of use-value instead of value, and that necessarily means socialism.

It should also not be forgotten that the world economy is predicated on the US as a major consumer of the exports which other countries, including China, rely upon to drive their own economies. Making matters worse is not only must all countries increase value over time, they need much of that value in the form of US Dollars. The world economy is not ready for a disruption in the flow of US Dollars.

thats fair, most of i've seen has been congisant of the things you are saying

Hypothetically possible for a few sectors, but tbh I'll believe it when I see it, the trend I see more often than not is enshittification and planned obsolescence. One of the few sectors where longevity actually increases is, funnily enough, renewables. LiFePo batteries are fucking awesome for self-sufficiency and feature incredible longevity

John Bellamy Foster is on YouTube. I don’t think he is a degrowther, but he is essential reading / listening if you are interested in this stuff. He advocates for an “environmental proletariat” and the need to view socialism as an environmental movement on equal footing with the labor question

They are leftists-ish, more akin to radlibs