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Da jia hao tongzhimen, and welcome back once again to the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution podcast, with your host Drew Smith, broadcasting once again from the beautiful and ancient city of Xi'an, once the ancient capital of Chang'an. Hope you guys are doing well. Um, I've settled in back just fine after my trip back to the States. Classes are going well, life is going well. Spring has sprung here in Xi'an.
It's still— it's still actually quite cold, but the flowers and the trees are just beautiful this year. The cherry blossoms and the plum blossoms. Other kinds of trees are just absolutely wonderful. I'm going to be going hiking with my trade union branch as a solidarity building exercise here in a few days, and it's going to be fun. It's going to be fun.
Mrs. and I are doing well. We didn't really do much for International Working Women's Day. These days, Women's Day in China is very divorced from the politics. The communist, you know, politics of International Working Women's Day. It's not so much a thing anymore, unfortunately. It's now kind of become this defanged holiday that's a mix of Valentine's Day, Mother's Day, and Secretary's Day.
So, for better or for worse, you know, it's one of those things where we just— we went out to eat, and I got her a bracelet, I got her some cosmetics, and that was— that was about it. You know, I got her a couple of flowers, and that was it. But today we're going to be doing an episode that's kind of, well, at the risk of making it seem narcissistic and unwarranted in self-importance, we're going to be doing an about-the-author mailbag ask-me-anything.
A lot of people have wanted to hear my story about why I came to China, what was it like being in the Revolutionary Communist Party USA and the Revolutionary Communist Youth Brigade, why I became a communist, things like that. And I thought, right now I'm really deep in the research of the April episode.
April is going to be a theoretically meaty episode about the Ninth Congress and the Sino-Soviet border conflict. So I kind of wanted to do a March episode that I didn't have to do a lot of research for. So this is the perfect time for me to actually get on with doing what you guys wanted me to do, and that's to tell my story. Who is Drew? So, I collected a series of questions we have.
Let me see. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16. We have 16 questions. And I think that that's enough that we can start chopping it up. I'm going to answer these mailbag style, kind of. We'll go through one at a time. I'll read the question and I'll answer it. So let's give it a go and let's see what we've got in the mailbag.
The first question from our reader is: Why did you move to China?
And this is a really great, great question. And that is: So I have always loved Chinese culture, ever since I was a little kid. So how about we start with that? How did I get interested in China? So I've been interested in China since long before I ever was a Maoist or called myself a communist. I was still a little kid. When I was maybe about 8 years old, yeah, about 7 or 8 years old, I got these DK eyewitness books, which were these really fun picture books that, you know, had different interesting stuff. Like there was explorers, astronauts, ancient— and then, like, they had a series of ancient Greece, ancient Rome, and the Vikings, and ancient Egypt, and ancient China. And for one year, for Christmas, because I was a precocious child who already loved history, my parents got me Vikings— what was it? Ancient Egypt, because I liked ancient Egypt. I thought that was— the mummies and stuff were really cool. And ancient China. And I loved the ancient China book. I thought it was so cool. Especially because my mom really liked China and Japan, so even though we're a white family, not a drop of Asian blood in us, I grew up with, like, Chinese calligraphy wall scrolls, prints of old Chinese art, replicas of Ming vases. My mom even had some old Korean furniture that she found for cheap at an estate sale. Stuff like that. So I grew up with that kind of around me. And then in, I guess it was 1993 or 1994, Carma Hinton, William S. Hinton's daughter, who is now a film director, she did a documentary about the Tiananmen Square incident of 1989. And I watched that as a kid. I was 8 years old, and I was captivated. I thought— I wasn't, like, pro-CPC. I wasn't pro-students. I was literally 8 years old. But I found this story so fascinating. It's a 3-hour long— it's a 3-hour long documentary.
I think maybe even 4-hour. But I watched the whole thing, just glued to the television. And that, you know, with that DK eyewitness ancient China book, solidified, wow, China's really cool. I really want to go visit there someday. Then in 1996, the Chinese government, in conjunction with the city of Memphis, Tennessee, did this awesome, absolutely amazing exhibit called Imperial Tombs of China, where they had, like, a Han Dynasty jade burial suit. They actually brought some real-life terracotta warriors to there. There was relics of the Buddha. There was all sorts of wonderful Ming vases and Mongol— like, Mongol fur coats and stuff like that. Tong Dynasty lacquerware, old Buddhist art from, like, the Han-Tong-Sui Dynasty, the Warring States period. Bamboo scrolls from the Zhou Dynasty. It was— it was genuinely a beautiful and amazing exhibit.
And as a 10-year-old kid, that blew my fucking mind. And that really solidified that I would always be interested in China. Now, eventually I got also very interested in Russia, and we're going to talk more about why I got interested in Russia as a kid later, when we start talking about how I became a communist. So let's fast forward to college.
And actually, my specialty in college was Soviet history. And actually, for a long time, I spoke pretty darn good Russian for a guy who, you know, mainly just took university classes. I went to Russia in 2012. And so originally I was going to get my PhD and become a professor of Russian and Soviet history. But the job market in, you know, American academia, particularly the humanities, you know, over the course of grad school, just continually went down the toilet. Again and again and again. Just less and less job prospects.
And I was like, oh my gosh, what am I going to do? So I thought about going to Russia to TIFL. And I was like, yeah, you know, I can at least still live and engage with the Russian culture, so I'll go live in Russia. Well, I try to look for jobs in Russia. I find a few, but I get: "Oh, you will have to sponsor your visa, your self, you will have to buy your own ticket, and you will have to find your own place." And I'll be like, well, I'm living in America. I can't really find a place for, you know, to— like, a place to live.
Well, it's not our problem. You know, typical Russian. Typical Russian bureaucracy and cold indifference. That being said, Russians are some of the most wonderful people in the world. There's a reason I deeply love them. But, you know, before you really get to know them, and when you're dealing with them in business or stuff like that, well, yeah, you guys feel me, right? You guys feel me.
So I was like, okay, where do I want to go? And as I looked through the job listings, and the Chinese universities were like, hey, we'll help sponsor your visa, we'll pay for your airplane ticket, we'll buy, you know, we'll get you a crib. And so I packed my bags and I went to the Middle Kingdom. And I found the woman of my dreams.
I found the career of my dreams. And, you know, kind of shit hit the fan in Russia with the Russo-Ukrainian war. So I'm so happy to be here. And, you know, it kind of has fulfilled a childhood dream of mine, and I can't foresee myself being anywhere else. I mean, honestly, honestly, guys, you know, I went back to America a few months ago, and I felt absolutely no connection to that country. Like, I love my friends. I love my family. I love my comrades that are still there, you know, fighting in the belly of the beast. And I give my love and solidarity to each and every one of y'all. But I felt no spiritual or cultural connection. You know what they say, y'all? Home is where the heart is. And my heart is here.
It's in China. Okay. With that out of the way, let's look at our next— let's see. So our next viewer, our next listener says,
"So Drew, how did you become a communist? And furthermore, how did you join the RCP?"
All right. Well, this is a long story. So buckle up. This question will probably take the majority of our time. So one thing you've got to understand is my upbringing.
So my mom's family are all real blue-collar, hillbilly, you know, salt-of-the-earth folk. My mom comes from a working-class background, but she— and my dad comes from a pretty well-off upper-middle-class background.
All of my aunts and uncles, my grandparents, my great-aunts and uncles, and my cousins on that side of the family are all, like, doctors, lawyers, high, big engineers, small business owners. They're not, like, bourgeoisie, but they are the upper crust of the petty bourgeoisie.
But the thing is, is not to overshare too much or bring you guys down, but my dad's kind of the— was, I haven't talked to him in years— was kind of the black sheep of the family. And he had— he struggled for many years with severe mental illness, alcoholism, drug addiction. And so my mom and him, I was a little accident between two college freshmen.
And so a shotgun wedding occurred, and I was born. And my parents, partially due to the fact that they never got to, you know, finish college, and another fact that, you know, my dad was just so insane. And so, you know, he was very sick all the time. He was, you know, he struggled, like I said, with substance abuse severely.
And so we really struggled to make ends meet, despite my dad's privileged upbringing. You could say we were kind of upper working-class, labor aristocracy, lower middle class. We probably could have done better, but my dad was, to say the least, not very responsible with his finances. So I grew up working-class, you could say maybe proletarian, maybe labor aristocracy.
And so, you know, I kind of grew up in a blue-collar neighborhood. I saw, like, you know, a lot of the social problems, like teen pregnancy, drug addiction, you know, racism. And that really stood out to me.
I was very socially conscious as a kid. I also read a lot of books about the Holocaust and slavery and, you know, the transatlantic slave trade. And I watched about the extermination of American Indians. My great-great-grandmother was a Native American.
She was part of Eastern Band of the Cherokee. And no, not— this isn't so I'm like, oh, my great-great-great-great-great-grandma was a Cherokee princess. No. Like, if you look at my great-grandfather, who I grew up with, like, oh, yeah. And, you know, if you look at pic— old Daguerreotype photographs of Maggie Williams, my great-great-grandmother, oh, yeah. Yeah. That's an Indian. So, you know, I was conscious of that.
I watched this really deep and interesting mini-series called 500 Nations. It was a PBS documentary series narrated by Kevin Costner. I highly recommend it. But it was about the extermination of the Native Americans. And it was so horrifying to me as a kid that I realized I can never be proud of this country. I can never be patriotic for this country.
And then as a kid, I kept learning more about, like, what we did in Vietnam, what we did in Korea, how the CIA had caused so many regime changes and, you know, installed so many dictators. And the fact that, you know, during World War II, we really didn't go to war with the Nazis because they were Nazis. We did it because they were getting in the way of our geopolitical interests, and we would have allied with the Nazis if they hadn't.
So that, you know, this kind of started, you know, turning the cogs in my head of, like, you know, we need something else. This system is evil. This world we live in is terrible. But there's got to be a better way. So one day, my mom was throwing out some old books from her high school and college textbooks, and she asked me if I wanted any.
Well, in it, there were three biographies. One was Adolf Hitler. One was Katherine the Great. And one was Vladimir Ilyich Lenin. And I read all three, and I was horrified by the Hitler book, intrigued by the Katherine the Great book. But the Lenin book, that inspired me.
I read that book, and it was oddly a sympathetic, you know, young adult biography of Lenin. And I was like, this is it. I want to learn more about communism. So I went down to my local library and read the Communist Manifesto. And, you know, at 10 years old, there's only so much you can really grasp. But what I did understand, I was like, yeah, this is it.
And so at 10 years old, I get on the internet, dial up 56k modem, and I look up, is there a Communist Party in America? And I find the homepage of the CPUSA. Now, it was not cpusa.org at that time. It was harford-hwp.com backslash tilde CPUSA. And it took about five minutes to load the page. And I started reading People's Weekly World, and I read the Program and Constitution of the Young Communist League USA.
I started reading works by Gus Hall. And I decided to use my allowance one day to— I started— I saved up my allowance for a couple of months, and I printed out the membership application to join the Young Communist League USA. And I sent it in. And at 10 years old, I was in the YCL USA.
And yeah, that— my parents were just like, oh my God, what the fuck? What's going on? And that's also when I started really getting into Russia, Russian culture. I tried to teach myself Russian from some of those, like, you know, Pimsleur audiobooks and textbooks I found at Barnes and Noble.
And I, you know, I wasn't particularly active with the YCL ever. I, you know, I subscribed to Dynamic Magazine and People's Weekly World. I kept studying and reading. And I continued to, on and off, with what I could, you know, earning allowance through chores or walking people's dogs or mowing people's lawns. You know, I paid and, you know, I was in the YCL, I guess, from, let's see, '96 to 2001.
I mean, as much as you could be. I never actually, like, went to any meetings, never went to any, like, never marched in any contingents with them, never went to any protests.
But, you know, I was supportive. And technically, on paper, I had the YCL USA membership card. And I upheld their line. Except, except I always was— I very much opposed their support of the Democrats. That was one thing I was like, come on, guys. No, we need a revolution. Even at 10 years old, I saw the folly of electoral politics. So in 2001, I got so tired of, you know, I talked with communist adults on the internet through, like, internet message boards and Usenet, stuff like that, MarxMail, if any of you guys remember them, MarxMail mailing list.
And, but I felt like the CPUSA officials that I would talk with, that they never really gave me a clear understanding of why did the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact countries fall? Why was China so capitalistic now? Why is the DPRK like it is? And they never gave me a really good answer. Now, I was still strictly anti-capitalist, and I started reading some other stuff. I started reading, like, Democratic Socialist Theory, Trotskyist Theory, Maoist Theory, Anarchist Theory. And I decided, well, Marxism obviously doesn't work, so I'm going to become an anarchist.
So at, like, oh gosh, what was it, man? I was, like, 13 or 14. I started calling myself an anarchist and started hanging around in those online circles. I was still very much interested in Soviet history and Chinese history, but I was also really weirdly sectarian against communists. I thought, like, what was it I would always say? I said, communists are just as bad as Nazis.
Therefore, we should treat them just like Nazis, and we should fight them in the streets, anti-fascist style or anti-racial action style. It was just— it was dumb. Dude, I was 13. Cut me some slack.
But then, as time went by, you know, over the course of that year of me being an anarchist, I kept on thinking, well, wait, once we overthrow the government and try to institute these anarchist communes, how are we going to keep the bourgeoisie from coming back? And I was like, disorganized people's militias aren't going to work. Communities' militias aren't going to work. We're going to need a centralized general staff army with tight discipline.
So I was like, okay, we need a people's army. We need a red army or a black army. But that's going to need a leadership. It's going to need a political leadership. Oh, wait, we're going to need a vanguard. And that's when I went, you know what? No. Marxism actually works. Marxism actually is something. But I didn't want to join the CPUSA again. I was just— I was done with their bullshit. I really was. So I looked around, looked at the ISO.
Nah, they're just college students. I was in high— you know, I was just getting into high school. So nah. SWP? Nah. The RCP? And I was like, wait, aren't they a bunch of Stalinist, Maoist, tankie red fascists? But the more I read the Revolutionary Worker newspaper, I was like, wow, this is, like, the best newspaper on the left. Better than People's Weekly World, Socialist Worker, the Militant, Workers' Vanguard.
What was— oh gosh. People's Tribune. I read them all. I read them all online as a kid. But that one, the Revolutionary Worker, was always the one with the best analysis, the best coverage, hard-hitting, partisanly Maoist, but actually had a little nuance to it. Backed their sources up. And I also would read reports about the Revolutionary Communist Youth Brigade and how uncompromisingly militant they were.
Like, the RCYB used black bloc tactics. You know, they fought Nazis in the streets. There was, you know, Texas versus Johnson, the flag burning. And I was like, hell yeah. Like, this is my kind of thing. And I started doing more research, but I was like, but didn't— don't the RCP support Stalin and Mao? And Stalin and Mao killed, like, a bajillion people just for fun?
And then I went and I started realizing. I read Ludo Marten's Another View of Stalin. I read, did Mao really kill 20 million people (edit: on Monthly Review) or something like that? And I realized, oh, no, this— I've been lied to by the bourgeoisie. Like, this is not— this is not real. You know, Mao and Stalin were good guys. They made mistakes.
They might have done some bad things, but they weren't, like, evil dictators like Hitler or Mussolini. So there you go. So I rang up the Revolution Books bookstore in Atlanta and said, is there a way you could, guys, come out and meet me someday? And two comrades, a husband and wife from the RCYB, they came and met with me.
And I became a candidate member. And within, like, two months, they decided that I was ideologically reliable enough that I became an RCYB cadre. And so this was 2000 and— 2001, I started, like, you know, following the RCP and its line. I think it was 2002, I actually met up with those comrades, and I became an official member of the Revolutionary Communist Youth Brigade. And I'm— yeah, I was 15. Wow. I was 15 years old.
How about that? And I immediately threw myself into the work. Like, I joined the RCYB. I started writing for the Revolutionary Worker newspaper. I was on the Revolutionary Worker newspaper web team to help disseminate the RW articles on various mailing sites and newsletters and things like that. I joined not in our name. I joined Refuse and Resist, the Committee to Support the Revolution in Peru, October 22nd Coalition to Stop Police Brutality, the Rim Solidarity Committee.
Like, if there was an RCP front group or mass org, I was a member. World can't wait. Ugh. But yeah, like, that's how it went. That's how it went. And it was crazy, man. Unfortunately, when the new synthesis came about, I was like, guys, this is too weird. This isn't what I signed up for. Like, I'm a Maoist. And I will always be a Maoist. So around 2007, also, I should note that the internal culture, because of the cult that was solidifying around Chairman Avakian, became very abusive.
I won't get into it, but it was very traumatic. And so along with the way the culture changed so domineeringly, and the fact that we were abandoning Maoism for this gobbledyremoved, I finally was like, I'm out. I'm out. But I will tell you guys some more later. Let's get on to the next question. But yeah, that's how I became a Maoist. And I still am one today.
Our next reader says, is your wife a Maoist like you?
No. The miss is, is unfortunately not a Maoist. She's not— she's rather politically apathetic. She was in the Young Pioneers and Communist Youth League of China in, you know, primary school, secondary school, and college. But would you say— would you say she's a Dengist, Marxist-Leninist, an ML? Like, maybe kind of, in the sense that, like, that's the default setting of all Chinese people in this day and age. And, you know, her parents are party members who are Dengist. Her aunts and uncles are party members and they're Dengist, MLs.
Grandma is a party member, but she's like— she's more sympathetic to Mao. She's more sympathetic to Mao. But that makes sense because she grew up during that time. So no, she's like— so if I had to say, Guo Youkun, she's politically apathetic, bordering on Dengist, ML. And with the ML-Maoism, she's just kind of like, okay, that's nice, honey. That's pretty much it. Let's see.
The next question, how did you become so interested in Chinese culture?
Oh, well, I already answered that. So we'll continue on.
So were you around for Texas versus Johnson?
I was not.
I was born in 1986, and Texas versus Johnson happened in 1984. I have met Joey Johnson, however. He was a pretty cool guy. He was pretty— he was an OG. All right.
Our next listener asks, can you talk about how the RCP discussed the People's War in Peru?
Sure. We were very openly partisan towards the Communist Party of Peru. We did not, you know, by no means were we, like, you know, all about, like, you know, the RCP never called itself Marxist-Leninist-Maoist, principally Maoist, with contributions that are universal from Chairman of Universal Validity with Chairman Gonzalo. No, we never did that.
We always just called ourselves Marxist-Leninist-Maoists. But we were uncompromising in our support of the People's War in Peru and the Communist Party of Peru. Like I said, I was a member of this committee to support the revolution in Peru. The Revolutionary Worker was always, you know, had the People's War in the headlines for many, many years.
On the first page of the Revolutionary Worker, when you opened it up, I guess on page two, if the front page is page one. In page two, there was always a call to free Chairman Gonzalo and defend his life. So we were very open about that. And I remember during that time, we used to, at our literature table, when we would go to, like, punk shows or festivals or something like that, we would always have the International Emergency Committee to defend the life of Dr. Abimael Guzmán.
We would always have those newsletters and pamphlets on our table. I used to have a sticker that said, "Yankee, go home, Partido Comunista del Peru," on my locker in high school. I used to wear the Peru 1509 badge with the prison stripes. I used to have that button on my backpack in high school. So, you know, we were, you know, a lot of people think that for some reason, and I don't know why, I see a lot of kids on Twitter say that the RCP never supported the People's War in Peru.
I— let me— trust me, as someone who was there at that time, that's not true. We were uncompromising and very militant in our support that the People's War in Peru was just, and that the Communist Party of Peru was the vanguard of the Peruvian proletariat. And we demanded the freedom of President Gonzalo. President Gonzalo. So that's what I got to say.
Our next question was, what did your regular activities look like in the RCYB? This is good.
We did a lot of taking out and selling the newspaper in ghettos and barrios and trailer parks. We would often do, like, wheatpasting posters in those, you know, in working class and impoverished areas. We would take the Obrero Revolucionario to, like, Mexican neighborhoods, Puerto Rican neighborhoods. We would be at every anti-war or immigrants' rights or pro-Palestine demonstration.
During the anti-globalization movement and during the anti-war movement, we did do some black bloc and direct action tactic. I won't go too deep into that, but I'll let you leave that to your imagination. We would face down the Klan or the National Socialist Movement. When they came into town, we would block up with antifa and anti-racist action and the local anarchists. And, you know, it would be going down, man. It would be going down.
Like, it's crazy, like, how I look back and how reckless and fearless I was when I was 15, 16, 17, getting into that kind of action. My mother would have had a heart attack if she found out what I was doing. You know, I'd come home, you know, back home all scuffled and sweaty,
and Mom would be like, "So how was the protest here?" I was like, "Yeah, it was great. It was great." You know? But, you know, we put in work, man. You know, we were doing things that no other youth league for any other Communist Party, whether it was the Young Socialists or the YCL, the YPSL, the Young People's Socialist League of the CPUSA, they weren't putting in work like we was.
So our next question is, what is your favorite memory of your time in the RCYB?
Well, gosh, that's a good question. So there's two ones that really spring to mind. Number one was when I went to Chicago under false pretenses. I told my parents I was going to a social justice or, like, US Social Forum, Left Forum kind of conference. It was really to go see Chairman Avakian. So I was, like, on this, like, super secret mission when I was 17, got in a van, and, you know, the party briefed us of, like, "Hey, you know, don't mention the chair's name when you were in the van." You know, we were briefed on, like, security. And we went from Atlanta to Chicago.
That was a long trip. And at DePaul University in a secret, super secret meeting group place, I got to see an eight-hour-long speech by Chairman Avakian. It wasn't the Revolution DVD speech. That was different. That was, I think, a year before. I think a year before, yeah. This was in '04. And yeah, I got to see— I got to see Bob speak.
So that was pretty crazy. Another was when the G8 Summit was in Brunswick, Georgia, in Savannah, Georgia. That was a great trip. You know, facing down the riot cop and getting into scuffles with, like, local right-wing, far-right-wing counter-protesters that were, like, there— like, the protest warrior types that were there to support Bush. And that was crazy.
And the great thing is that, like, me and my comrades, we all ended up going on a beach trip afterwards. So that was fun. That was really fun. Like, we actually— we were friends. That was the nice thing. We weren't just comrades. We were friends. We were lovers. We were, you know, companions. And it was— it was beautiful, man. It was beautiful. The School of the Americas protests were always fun.
The Republican National Convention in 2004, that was crazy. That was huge. I think there was, like, 500,000 people marching. That was great. That was a great memory. So, oh, man. You know, for all their fault, if, you know, the RCP made me the man I was in today. It gave me a strong sense of justice and discipline. And yeah, man, that's my story.
The next question. The next question. Let's take a look. And what do you think of the current student youth movement in the U.S.?
You know, I'm a little disappointed. I mean, like, I still see that the youth are still, you know, fearless and brave. Like, the pro-Palestine protests were beautiful. You know, seeing the kids out there in the streets during the uprisings of 2020, that was very nice and beautiful.
But, you know, I'm not— and I see promise in, like, the revolutionary student unions and some of the small campus-based Maoist collectives. I'm not shitting on them. Like, you know, I'm in full support of that. But, you know, more broadly, the student movement in the U.S. is kind of— it's kind of toothless.
Like, I see a lot more reformism than I used to. And just kind of that— this wave of postmodernism and identity politics and that kind of rad-lib stuff. What right-wingers call SJWs, you know, I don't use that word because it has a homophobic and misogynistic connotation to it. But unfortunately, a lot of kids who call themselves anarchists, call themselves communists, they don't really have a Marxist, you know, bearing.
A lot of it is just intersectional postmodernism wrapped in a red flag or in a black flag. And that's kind of disappointing because I'm not saying that those kids have bad intentions. I support them when they are part of good social struggles. But the theoretical level of the student movement these days is— it's kind of lower than I remember it being in the '90s and early 2000s.
You know, I feel like the Obama presidency really demobilized a lot of people, and we just haven't really recovered from it. But hey, you know, I see potential. I see— I hope things will get better soon.
I hope my comrades in, like, those RSU groups and the revolutionary study groups, you know, kids that are working on the campuses and the pro-Palestine and Black Lives Matter kind of stuff, the young sisters who are out there fighting for abortion rights, especially in this time that Roe v. Wade has been overturned, you know, the young Chicano youth that are fighting for immigrants' rights, especially with Trump attacking them so much. I see potential. I see potential.
But I'm going to be honest, y'all need Marxism-Leninism-Maoism. But that's just my opinion.
Why did you leave the RCP and what are your feelings about them?
Well, like I said, the new synthesis, that stuff, I was just like, "Yo, this guy, I'm out. I'm here to be a Maoist.
That's what I'm about." And like I said, the internal culture got so abusive and domineering. They were burning everyone out. There was no time for self-care or to, you know, go to school, go to work. They were telling us to quit our jobs and drop out of school to, you know, spend our entire lives just popularizing BA. (Bob Avakian)
And I wasn't down with that. I wasn't down with that.
What are my feelings about the modern RCP today?
I feel nothing but pity for them. Like, the few times I've run across them since leaving, it's just sad. Like, they just come to a demonstration and they, you know, pass out pamphlets and copies of basics and, you know, DVDs of Revolution, nothing less. And just, they don't really— yeah, they attend demonstrations, but do they do anything? No. And I'm sure there's only maybe, like, less than 100 members left. And yeah, it's just— it just kind of is just slowly fading out of existence. So there you go. There you go. What can you do?
Our next question. This is interesting. Favorite anime of all time.
Well, yes, one thing you guys got to understand is that Drew is an insufferable weeaboo. I mean, like, I'm not— I don't really like modern Japanese culture. I like Japanese history and traditional Japanese culture. But modern Japan, I have— I'm not really interested, but I love anime and I love manga. I was a cosplay kid. I was a convention kid. I was always at anime conventions and cosplay meetups as a kid and even in early college. I sold the revolutionary worker in cosplay at Anime Week in Atlanta. True facts.
So anyways, so my favorite anime of all time. So there's, like, my favorite classic and then my favorite contemporary classic.
My favorite classic will always be Neon Genesis Evangelion. That sounds, you know, "Oh, that's a normie entry-level anime." Well, so be it. It's popular for a reason. It's beloved for a reason. It's mainstream for a reason. It's a great anime. And it's an epic tale.
My favorite contemporary classic is Sayonara Zetsubo Sensei, which is about a mentally ill teacher and his mentally ill students and just doing stuff. It's weird. But the thing is, is also, like, Koji Kumeta, I'm pretty sure the manga author and the anime director, Koji Kumeta, I'm pretty sure that dude's left-wing because he talks about the Frankfurt School, Jean-Paul Sartre, Juche, the Japanese Socialist Party, the Japanese Communist Party, the Cultural Revolution, the Cuban Revolution. All of these are mentioned or referenced in this anime.
Y'all should check it out. It's quite something. It is quite something. It's pretty high-brow humor. If you don't understand a lot about, like, certain aspects of Japanese society, you might not get it. But if you do, yeah, check it out. Check it out. I've been really digging Apothecary Diaries lately. I liked Sosou no Frieren. I'm digging Chainsaw Man still, ready for the movie to come out. But yeah, I mean, like, I still watch anime, like, at least once a week. So yeah, there you go. Ooh woo.
What are your interests in Chinese studies besides the history of the People's Republic?
That's a good question. So I really am interested— I live in Xi'an, which was the capital for thousands of years. So I'm really interested in Qin Dynasty, Han Dynasty, Sui Dynasty, Tang Dynasty.
I like the Mongols. The Mongols were cool. I like the Ming Dynasty a good bit. When it comes to Chinese culture, I'm a big fan of calligraphy. I'm a big fan of— I wouldn't say I'm a big fan, but I like, like, the traditional theater. Like, Peking Opera is very interesting to me. Shadow Puppetry. If you've ever seen traditional Chinese shadow puppets, that's really interesting.
Let's see. What are some other things I love? I like Hanfu. I'm sorry. I like Hanfu. I think it's cool. I think it's pretty. My favorite Chinese cuisine is Hunan, Sichuan, Xinjiang, Shaanxi, of course. And my favorite food in the whole world is Peking roast duck. So there you go. There you go. I love everything about China, y'all.
That's the truth of it. I love everything about China. It's just— that's what I am, man. You know, I'm a sinophile in all shapes and sizes. Okay. Our next is, "What's your favorite city in China to travel to?" I would say Beijing. My in-laws live in Beijing. They're originally from Nanchang, but they all moved up to Beijing a few years back. So yeah, my father-in-law's family all live in Beijing. And there's always a lot to do in Beijing. It's a really fun town. Chengdu is great too.
Urumqi is actually a fun town. It's a little out of the way, but it's cool. Shanghai's okay. It's a little— it's a little too modern. So I don't know. I wouldn't say— definitely wouldn't say Shanghai's my favorite to travel to. There's not enough old-world charm.
Beijing. I'd say Beijing is my all-time favorite because it's got that right balance of world city, modern, futuristic, cool LED lights on skyscrapers. And it's got the old-world charm of being the old imperial capital. And just the museums there are fantastic. The food there is fantastic. And Beijing people, Beijingren, they really don't have big city syndrome, in my opinion.
They're very friendly. They're almost like Midwesterners, eh? You know, they're super hospitable, super friendly, real down-to-earth, real chill. So yeah, got to give love to Beijing.
Our next one is— oh, we have a little hate mail. "Why are you such a Baizuo idiot who hates China's success? Kill yourself, f-slur."
Well, okay. So this is interesting because I get— I hate to say this, but I get a lot of DMs on my GPCR podcast Twitter account that are, you know, there's a lot of kill-yourself Baizuo, kill-yourself ultra, the China stands really just, you know, I seem to be a very polarizing figure among them. Anyways, I think I'm actually going to answer this. So I don't hate China's success.
Nobody. I want to say this. Nobody on left Twitter or whatever you want to say wants China to succeed more than Drew Smith. I'm going to say it again. Nobody wants China to succeed more than Drew Smith. And that's why I'm a Maoist. And that's why I oppose the Dengist economic policies. Boom. Yeah, there. I said it. I think that China would be even more powerful. I think it would have— it will be even more economically successful.
You know, the social progress that would happen under it, the influence among oppressed peoples around the world would expand. I really do say with the bottom of my heart, I think that if China were to restore socialism, it would become even more successful than it is today. Yeah, and you can quote me on that. You can quote me on that. So yes, I want China to win.
I want China to succeed. And that's why I'm a Maoist. Full stop. All right. So we got two more questions.
We got, "Okay, how do you reconcile working for the CPC while being a Maoist?"
This is a good question. So one thing you guys got to understand is that the average CPC grassroots cadre on, like, a district, village, township, county, municipal level, prefectural level, they're good people. And they want to help. And they want to serve the people. They just don't know any better. They've never been, you know, they don't really get a lot of access to serious Marxist philosophy.
They might have, like, study materials and catechisms, but they don't really get to read Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, and Mao. They just basically, like I said, they get catechisms. They get Marxism Leninism Mao Zedong Thought textbooks. And that's all they really get. They can read Xi Jinping's The Governance of China, but yeah.
So seeing that they are good people and they want to work, you know, they want to do good work, I want to help them with that. I want to contribute to Chinese society. It's a great— you know, working with the CPC is a really great networking opportunity. It could very well help advance my career. I can help the community, giving back to the community, and also just the lack of an alternative.
Now, are there Chinese Maoists? Yes. But I'm not really at liberty to discuss that. Just know that they're there.
But the Chinese Maoists have specifically asked me to not get involved or get active with them because a foreigner in their ranks is going to place them under far more scrutiny than they already are. They said, "Just do grassroots work with the party. Do your podcast. Keep researching. Keep collecting Mao badges and cultural revolution antiques so that those things are preserved. Keep, you know, interviewing old comrades and getting that eyewitness testimony. Keep setting the record straight." And I said, "You know what? That's fair enough. That's fair enough." So that's all I can say about that. (editor note: yeah wouldn't want to be mistaken for foreign-backed NGO lol)
So I really enjoy my work for the party. And I'm going to keep doing it. I'm going to keep doing it. And I just— I really hope that we can go back to the socialist road someday. All right. So we have one more question. We have one more question. And that is,
"Do you endorse any particularly American leftist party or pre-party formation?"
I got to say, no, I do not support any particular formation. I'm not partisanly— I'm a Maoist, so I'm not going to support CPUSA or PSL, FRSO. I don't support them. I think there's good people in their ranks that have good intentions and I can unite with them tactically, but I would never support or endorse their parties. You know, but when it comes to, like, RSG, RSU, MCU, OCR,
CRCPUSA, any of the other smaller study groups and publishing houses, you know, I wish them all the best.
And I wish them all to work towards a correct line and unite around a correctly Maoist line, put politics in command, a principled, proper unity that will last, that will get us to revolution.
(Editor note: lol, sounds like 'hate the sin, not the sinner' thought)
So, you know, shout out to anybody who calls themselves a Maoist and is working towards reconstituting a Marxist-Leninist Maoist vanguard party to lead the proletariat within North America. Like, I fucks with you. I fucks with you. But to say, "Oh, I support RSG. I support the Organization of Communist Revolutionaries. I support the CRCPUSA." Nah. No, I don't. I'm not tied down to one group.
Besides, I don't even live in America anymore, so how can I?
All right. Well, dang, that was really fun, guys. I think that's all the questions we have for today. I hope you guys learned a little something-something about the Drewski and had a lot of fun doing that. I know I did. I'm 38 years old and I've been through a lot, y'all. I've considered myself a communist for 28 years, and I've been an active communist for 23 years. So how's about that?
How's about that, y'all? All right. So it's a Friday afternoon. It's a beautiful sunny day. I think I'm going to go take a little walk outside and enjoy the fresh air. It's finally warm. So next month, next month, I guess around April 30th, yeah, April 30th, we will have our next chronological episode where we will be talking about the Ninth Party Congress of April 1969 and the Sino-Soviet Border Conflict of 1969, part one. So get ready for that, y'all. All right. From the ancient city of Chang'an in beautiful Shaanxi province, I say, zai jian.