Literally just that, I am tired of hearing about how China is doing green development. I really wanna hear some degrowth voices because I personally don't think drowning in consumer goods is a way I want to imagine a better life.

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[–] 12 points 1 week ago* (2 children)

I mean, I don't think anyone disagrees in principle, but isn't a prerequisite for de-growth to have world socialism? With the threat of capitalist regimes, there is a very material need to industrialize above them for a plethora of reasons. Socialists don't defend consumerism in principle, it's just that the current pragmatic way to world socialism and eventual degrowth passes through socialism dethroning capitalism, which normally implies higher productive capabilities (and therefore consumption).

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    you could liberalism your way to something resembling degrowth in some sectors. making fewer goods at a higher quality and price is still making less shit, somebody might try to do that at a national economy level to save capitalism for a few years.

    that's probably also not something OP is interested in since it's just yachtification of mundane goods.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago*

    Hypothetically possible for a few sectors, but tbh I'll believe it when I see it, the trend I see more often than not is enshittification and planned obsolescence. One of the few sectors where longevity actually increases is, funnily enough, renewables. LiFePo batteries are fucking awesome for self-sufficiency and feature incredible longevity

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