David Simon, creator of 'The Wire', being interviewed by Ari Shapiro (NPR)

SHAPIRO: Ok, so you've spent your career television without AI, and I could imagine today you thinking, boy, I wish I had that tool to solve those thorny problems...

SIMON: What?

SHAPIRO: ... Or saying...

SIMON: You imagine that?

SHAPIRO: ... Boy, if that had existed, it would have screwed me over.

SIMON: I don't think AI can challenge what writers do at a fundamentally creative level.

SHAPIRO: But if you're trying to transition from scene five to scene six, and you're stuck with that transition, you could imagine plugging that portion of the script into an AI and say, give me 10 ideas for how to transition this.

SIMON: I'd rather put a gun in my mouth.

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[–] 221 points 3 weeks ago (34 children)

I was told by a 17 year old that there is no way people are writing 10-page papers without A.I.

I told him I was writing 10-page papers without even reading the book.

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  • [–] 70 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    I am part of a book club and a friend of mine joked, "I'll join but I need the CliffNotes."

    I go, "Does CliffNotes even still exists?" I really didn't know.

    It does exist and they have free summaries.

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  • [–] 36 points 3 weeks ago (12 children)

    I went to college rather late in life and was 36 when I started. Kids were stressing over the AI detecting programs. I suggested just writing their own papers. They looked at me like I'd said I came from Mars.

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  • [–] 37 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    I'm in my late 40's and going back to school via online courses. I about pulled what's left of my hair out going round and round with a professor that kept marking me off, with a note stating "You should not use chat or AI programs to do your work". The work that I wrote.
    Had not even thought to use any; Im old and set in my ways already, have enough going on making sure I am using the right class programs needed and, this was a required side course, not really anything difficult to me yet (could have skipped it if my previous schooling hadn't been sooo far previous).

    Took over a dozen emails back and forth with me begging her to tell me how she surmised my writing was done by anything other than myself. Offering to have a 1:1 video session where she could watch me write, offering to record myself and send it alongside my work, anything.
    She finally responded that she goes online and has AI tell her if a submitted document was written by AI. Never would say which site(s) so that I could do my own pre-checking, nothing on our library site or course links and documents that referred one to use either.

    So. That is how I started using AI and let various chat programs complete the remainder of that course for me. Since, for some unholy reason, the assignments done that way were no longer flagged for AI use.
    This is also how I learned I despise this technology and that cunt who can go fuck off with her own AI loving, short cut using, bitch ass.

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  • [–] 23 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    The more things change, the more things stay the same. In my college days, I had a professor who insisted that Wikipedia cannot be trusted and he would threaten us with 0 on a paper if he suspected we even peeked at the site's pages on whatever subjects we we writing about.

    A buddy of mine hit bingo. By pure coincidence he used the exact same reference as a Wikipedia page, down to the page number and the professor gave him a 0 for the report.

    Thing is, if we aren't allowed to even look at Wikipedia, then we would have no way of knowing if we used an identical reference.

    My buddy dropped the course, and the rest of us who stuck it out ended up wishing we had done the same. Terrible professor tainted otherwise interesting subject matter.

    I know you can't always avoid bad professors, but if you realize it early on and you have the opportunity to drop the course, do it.

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  • [–] 31 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    Unfortunately there are a lot of people my age who have or would do that, but they're missing out on getting drunk while writing and then waking up the next day to see if what you wrote is okay to turn in. (Yes, I genuinely did this when I was in college and would do it again. At least I didn't cheat like my peers did.)

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    [–] 109 points 3 weeks ago (25 children)

    I've had this exact conversation in real life.

    I do IT work. Someone who was a heavy AI user asked me 'how was I integrating AI into my workflow' as if it was a foregone conclusion that I AM integrating AI. I told him I wasn't, that AI may be useful for finding answers to some things or photoshopping funny pictures but most of what I do is intellectual, specific to certain situations and requirements, which AI generally doesn't understand. That I can't risk AI making actual changes to my environments, so if I let AI write a plan and then I proof it myself and then do it, it's easier just to do the work myself. So that leaves the only thing AI could do for me is writing, and I'm good at writing, so I overall have little or no use for AI.

    Dude looked at me like I was an alien. Like he legitimately could not understand why an intelligent person would voluntarily reject AI. Like I said I rejected cars and I ride a horse to work. Does not compute. Here's this supposedly smart person who knows more about tech than the next 2-3 people in the office combined, and this person is completely rejecting the holy grail.

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  • [–] 50 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    It’s tough not to form a superiority complex these days when you hear of people who can’t compose emails by themselves.

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  • [–] 18 points 3 weeks ago

    Yeah, and I think it's a symptom of a cultural problem where people think prosperity means essentially not having to do anything. The ideal is to sit on your ass and consume, while never having to create.

    But when you don't do anything for yourself and have AI or hired help do it so that you can go back to scrolling the dopamine treadmill, you eventually don't know how to do it even if you wanted to. Losing knowledge, skills, and attention span means getting more stupid, kinda by definition.

    This negative feedback loop is a form of conditioning, and it is not in our best interests. It is in the interests of advertisers, psychological manipulators, tech barons, and others who are generally the worst.

    In my case, the more I have consciously decided to take care of my own shit -- in various aspects of life -- the better I have felt. It's not the one secret to a fulfilling life, but it's an important one. And yes damn it, I sometimes use dashes.

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    [–] 92 points 3 weeks ago*

    As @Akido37@lemmy.world pointed out in their comment, this was from an NPR interview on the 2023 writers guild strike.

    Also of note, this portion of Adam Conover's talk with Cory Doctorow recently included a bit of inside baseball on how the writers guild strategized and talked about AI with their members:

    This is what I would say to people on the picket line. Again, there are plenty of people in the writer guild who said, "Chatbot is going to be able to do my job. It's going to be able to write a screenplay." And part of our job in leadership was to shake them and say "no, the chatbot can NOT do your job." The starting point of your negotiation has to be "I am valuable. I have value that the computer does not have." You need to recognize that in yourself first. Otherwise you're giving the power to the computer before you've begun. You don't start from a position of powerlessness. You start from a position of the world is made of people. People need other people. I do things that the boss's computer cannot do. The boss needs me. How do I use my power in order to, you know, protect my position?

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  • [–] 88 points 3 weeks ago (13 children)

    NPR has increasingly more chickenshit journalists at their employ. A shame because even now radio is powerful media that can change and influence minds, they just use more of their airtime to shill for AI instead of doing real journalism

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  • [–] 21 points 3 weeks ago* (5 children)

    They gotta shill for AI because the goal is total mass surveillance on the general public with total privacy for the rich kiddie fuckers.

    Oh and also ginning up fake "evidence" to pin on dissidents.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 weeks ago

    even now radio is powerful media that can change and influence minds,

    we are in this mess because of consistent messaging on conservative talk radio for blue collar logistics workers who are "self employed"

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    [–] 85 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    Writing is so much easier when you skip over the bit where you do writing.

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    [–] 67 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

    I feel this way about writing code

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  • [–] 40 points 3 weeks ago* (8 children)

    What makes me sad is how it’s an IQ test. If using AI makes you feel like you’re becoming a better coder, what do you think is cheaper for Anthropic or OpenAI, to make you feel something or to actually do something? Same business model as Fox News: don’t actually inform people, just make them feel informed. Much cheaper and sells like hotcakes.

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  • [–] 22 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    I remember hearing once that when your brain knows there is an option to depend on an external source for something it could’ve stored in its memory, it loses (or at least weakens) the opportunity to utilize the elasticity that would’ve made the effort into storing that information, and this problem compounds the more often one uses the external source.

    I think about that whenever I turn to a search engine to look something up. I can’t imagine how much more I’d think about that using an AI to think for me.

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  • [–] 65 points 3 weeks ago* (19 children)

    These dudes have these uncreative jobs where an AI literally can push your stupid spreadsheets or whatever all day. They can't imagine being creative, enjoying the process, the feeling of it all flowing. They can't imagine that. They see a script and to them its just more text on a piece of paper not a work of art.

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  • [–] 59 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Similarly CEOs don’t understand that making a report or writing an analysis that looks reasonable at first glance but is inaccurate is super simple for a human to do too. Fixing all the errors and made up stuff takes longer than just doing the work carefully. My boss was proud they used AI to do a works cited for something and left google.com/ in the linked references. If I was a reviewer for a funding organization seeing that would not be a vote of confidence that the applicant was serious.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 weeks ago (11 children)

    I get the sentiment, but I don't think this really applies to Ari Shapiro.

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  • [–] 36 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Well then what the fuck were these questions? He should already know. These just sound like compliment fishing.

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  • [–] 59 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

    Sometimes I can just feel the neolib oozing from an NPR host and their faith in capitalism to fix all things.

    For me it really started when Freakenomics lobbed those softball questions to one of the Koch brothers, and then I had a moment of “…what the fuck are you doing? …have you always been like this? …and I’m just now noticing? …oh god …oh god! your previous episodes are so terrible too! how did I not see this?! it’s all bathwater! no baby! oh fuck!”

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  • [–] 22 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (7 children)

    Freakonomics was a big breaking point for me too. I used to think it was really cool, and even read the first book! But there was an argument in it that stuck with me, and was sort of the marquee analysis for the show for a long time.

    It went something like, in the 90s there was all this fuss about super-predators, urban youths who would grow up without stable families and surrounded by gang violence, and they would basically never develop a conscience, and you'd have a generation of killers that made the cities unliveable. Apparently this was something Killary stumped about but I remember it being all over the news at one point. So why did this never occur? Because this generation would be the first who grew up with favorable laws and views toward abortion, so women were able to terminate unwanted pregnancies.

    And at first I was pretty amazed at this, I was like, wow aren't liberal reforms great? But after reading and learning and thinking more about the world I realized what I wish was obvious: there never was a threat of "super predators," these people are just incredibly racist, and the freakonomocs team were fucking hacks.

    Then one day I was picking my kids up and listening to Elliot Abrams on freah air or some shit speaking in dulcet tunes about the necessity to invade Venezuela. Another segment on Wait wait don't tell me was about a precision missle that could precisely target a particular person, and they made a joke about how the missle could fly so close to the target that samurai swords would pop out and slice up the terrorist. Queue hysterical laughter.

    And that was it, I realized these people are the most bloodthirsty fucking freaks imaginable. People who sounded smart to sell massacres and racism to dumb idiots, like myself at one point, to middle brow pseudo intellectuals who didn't really pay attention, just wanted to feel good about being informed while learning nothing.

    Once you see how NPR is just dripping in gore, you can't unsee it

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  • [–] 14 points 3 weeks ago

    I can't quite put my finger on moments like yours, but had the same strange sensation of creeping revulsion toward NPR, where it once felt like a safe, familiar, even comforting, thing.

    NPR, in a million ways small and large, carries water for the status quo, and it's fuckin gross. Even just small ongoing things like their current phrasing "the war in Iran". It's an anodyne, neutral phrasing used in their broadcasts, seemingly as a rule. Same neutral language for cops when "an assailant was shot and died", or when "a weapon discharged", etc.

    It's never the war against Iran, it's not "the unprovoked attack against Iran", etc., it's just this vague inscrutable thing merely happening, and merely in Iran. No one is responsible, and it just is there. And thankfully, it's only IN Iran! Wouldn't it be worse if that were spilling over into other places and things?

    There are countless stronger examples, but this one is current and consistent and you can hear it in any random news broadcast, and it tells a huge lie in a tiny word every time.

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    [–] 36 points 3 weeks ago

    I never get the "generate ideas with AI" advice. AI can be useful for directing you to sources for researching an idea or poking holes in your ideas, but the ideas AI comes up themselves are so braindead and bland. If you're stuck in such a fundamental way you need to go back and rewrite sections and rethink what you're trying to do.

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    Could you imagine the derivitive piece of trash The Wire would be if genuine masters of their craft like David Simon, Ed Burns, George Pelacanos et al resorted to ChatGPT every time they got a little stuck?

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    Didn't read close enough and thought the interviewer was Ben Shapiro on first read through.

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    [–] 18 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

    Why use AI to do all the fun stuff? It's not like AI knows the rules of the world, the full depth of the characters, or the political perspective that the story is supposed to have. Trying to convey all that in a prompt seems like more work anyhow.

    edit: The only thing I can see AI potentially being useful for is feedback, as it's hard to get and most of it needs to be ignored anyhow. Maybe an LLM can stumble into something you didn't notice before.

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