A sailor who jumped from the USS Abraham Lincoln this month in what his wife described as a suicide attempt is now facing disciplinary action from the Navy, according to his wife and charging documents reviewed by MS NOW.

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[–] 14 points 3 hours ago (1 child)

Oh, yeah, that'll fix morale.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 hours ago (1 child)

    Do they still use keelhauling as a punishment?

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  • [–] 5 points 2 hours ago

    Context: IANAL, it's been over a decade since my story, so details might be dated or incorrect. I don't fully agree with the process.

    I think this is normal. I knew a guy commit suicide and they still did this. To be clear, the young man passed away. I think it's supposed to get help where it's needed, raise accountability, and to make final determinations regarding benefits. It's definitely a reactive policy, causes more harm than good, and oftentimes is too late.

    I'm pretty sure none of the disciplinary charges will stick if it's proved a genuine suicide attempt. It's really difficult to prove otherwise, even without knowing the things we do that lead up to this.

    I hope he gets the care and support he needs, it's going to be rough.

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  • [–] 63 points 6 hours ago

    And yet the men who caused all this will face none. Hopefully the military will realize sooner rather than later this Administration isn't their Ally

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  • [–] 50 points 6 hours ago (1 child)

    the beatings will continue.

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  • [–] 26 points 6 hours ago (9 children)

    I don't know why so many go into the army when so many wars where pointless and solved nothing or made things worse. They don't serve the country, they serve the billionaires.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 hours ago

    All the responses are correct. These days it's a complicated web of various factors, but the academic term I was taught for it was social caging (yeah, I know I probably misspelled that). In short, the state seeks its continued existence (and its existence is solely dependent on the violence of the military and police (and yeah, I know, I'm oversimplifying it)). Therefore, it uses various means of social pressure to encourage military service. Honor, glory, duty, citizenship, etc. The book Starship Troopers puts this into perspective quite well, very much worth a read (completely different from the movie from what I understand) (and no, I don't agree with the society it puts forth, but I really don't think the author does either. Read The Forever War afterward, a book written almost in response to Starship Troopers, they are strangely two books best read together).

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  • [–] 37 points 5 hours ago (1 child)

    Its often called the poverty draft. Its basically the only way to get access to socialised medicine (VA benefits), housing (VA subsidized loans), and education (GI bill).

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  • [–] 20 points 5 hours ago (1 child)

    Drive through bumfuck, nowhere in the US. You'll find a town of about 5-10k population, an hours drive from civilization, and it will be full of dilapidated ruins of houses.

    Every road in/out of town will have a billboard telling you to join the marines.

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  • [–] 27 points 5 hours ago (1 child)

    Propaganda and desperation. We would literally need an anti-recruitment campaign to discourage people from signing up in high schools everywhere but the alternatives aren't exactly appealing.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 hours ago (1 child)

    Imagine spreading propaganda. A lot of influencers are sponsored by the military and they find new ways to hire new people. And with all those personnel and money they still lose wars. A lot of that money should have been spent for healthcare and education.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 hours ago

    Right, but youre talking about uneducated poor 18 year olds who have been fed propaganda their entire lives and see it as their only escape while potentially doing something good. And then they get in and theyre beaten down and brainwashed even further.

    Theyre basically cultists. We SHOULD hold them accountable for what they do, but the blame does not lay squarely on their shoulders.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 hours ago

    Because in the US the military is a good way to get out of poverty. It gives you all the "socialist" stuff you get for free in other countries. You know, free education, health insurance, pensions and disability benefits. It also pays relatively well for someone that has no other skills and qualifications.

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    [–] 12 points 5 hours ago (1 child)

    I hope they punish him to make an example and his fellow sailors commit mutiny in response

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  • [–] 7 points 5 hours ago

    And get mental health aid, right? Right? No, guess not, based on the decades of lackluster aid from other veterans needing it.

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